Abortion in ireland.

[BrunetteIrene]

I do not know why people do not take care to protect themselves when having sex.
Are so many ways to protect yourself and not get pregnant.
Why must reach abortion?
http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakin...on-599693.html

[warmcome]

I do not know why people do not take care to protect themselves when having sex.
Are so many ways to protect yourself and not get pregnant.
Why must reach abortion?
http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakin...on-599693.html

all true, Irene, as is the case that has made legislation necessary:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_o...a_Halappanavar

[Doozer]

Prepare for a shit storm
Emotive topic where both sides think they are right and will belittle the opposition

[Curvaceous Kate]

Prepare for a shit storm
Emotive topic where both sides think they are right and will belittle the opposition

Where have we seen that before?

Back to the topic, it is logical to use contraception, but as a Country it is or has been frowned upon to use contraception, so it's almost like a 'double guilt' to use it and be having sex out of marriage. Then there is the fact that the guys are not all used to using condoms and the little fella doesn't always appreciate it, so a man can be very convincing for you not to use it and if you think the chap cares about you (ie not an Escort situation) then she may trust him and believe his porky pies to get his own way, that he will not let her fall pregnant.

Then there are the ones that never believe it will happen to them and just take a chance or they get drunk and do it on impulse etc etc. Then there are the ones who get pregnant, because they think it will make them happier and don't think of the big picture.

In short, people don't always act upon logic, but are led by emotions. That is what makes us human.

[Sancho Panza]

I have no moral objection to first or second trimester abortions. In my opinion, such abortions are not murders because foetuses are not persons. A person - whether it is an infant, a child, or an adult - can feel pain and think. A foetus cannot do either.

Human life certainly begins at conception; it is foolish of pro-life campaigners to argue otherwise. However, scientists have determined that the structures necessary for higher brain functioning and pain perception do not develop until at least the 24th week of pregnancy. Indeed, it is very likely that the foetus does not "wake up" or become conscious until birth. Thus, I find it hard to believe that a first or second-trimester foetus is a human being with the same rights as an infant, a child, or an adult.

If you believe that humans are ensouled at conception, then you will most likely have a problem with any kind of abortion. Indeed, some pro-life advocates oppose the morning-after pill because of its potential to inhibit implantation (though recent research suggests it does not). Even if I believed in souls though, I would find it hard to believe that a fertilised egg has one.

[justfrank44]

I do not know why people do not take care to protect themselves when having sex.
Are so many ways to protect yourself and not get pregnant.
Why must reach abortion?
http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakin...on-599693.html

The pill. condoms etc are not 100% effective, you can take precautions, they just might not work. And what about rape? It is never a good idea to generalise.

[Doozer]

The pill. condoms etc are not 100% effective, you can take precautions, they just might not work. And what about rape? It is never a good idea to generalise.

Is rape the potential childs fault though?

[justfrank44]

Is rape the potential childs fault though?

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And if going through with the pregnancy is enough to make the mother suicidal? I do love a good black and white argument

[Doozer]

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And if going through with the pregnancy is enough to make the mother suicidal? I do love a good black and whit argument

The thing is its not a black and white argument
Im just playing devils advocate here, so no one needs be offended at any of my comments here

But surly if the mother is suicidal then she should be in a mental health care facility so she can be watched by professionals, rcieve councselling etc

The potential person again doesnt deserve to be terminated

[justfrank44]

The thing is its not a black and white argument
Im just playing devils advocate here, so no one needs be offended at any of my comments here

But surly if the mother is suicidal then she should be in a mental health care facility so she can be watched by professionals, rcieve councselling etc

The potential person again doesnt deserve to be terminated

Ok, so you have no regard for the mothers mental health, what then if continuing with the pregnancy endangers the mothers physical health?