My next punt will be...

[saoirsemac]

Ha!... how do I know you are not feeding me lines Orla Worla... you already fed me dodgy figures, and upi are still doing it by saying 80% of escorts are trafficked...

Careful now...

eh didnt say 80% where trafficed ffs i said 80% of trafficed girls earnings given in order to pay her ''debts'' wudnt be far form the mark

careful now too u too

[JAMESCORK]

I think she is saying ladies who work for that particular gang arent actually part of an agency, per se James. I do tend to be slightly more analytical, and since you are clearly saying you have spoken to these ladies, why not fill us all in? Umless of course you might be being fed a line someone prefers you to hear. In any event, Im getting really bored with this. There is a law that states if you sleep with a trafficked escort, knowingly or not, then you can be tried for rape. Argue with that law, not anyone here, bacause personally, Im not taking those kinds of risks. Many people dont want to take that risk, for many reasons. Others are happy to, excellent, no bother.

If you can delineate what is clearly willing agency, and clearly trafficking for the purposes of prostitution, (which actually, can be one and the same in law) fantastic, happy punting. However I think castigating those who would like to be sure is both unwise and slightly egotistical, much like stating you dont really care the origin as long as the tits and ass are nice.

Human Trafficking: Definition

Human trafficking -- the sale, transport and profit from human beings who are forced to work for others.

Oh gawd will people stop boring Lucy... she is really bored again, but still keeps posting when nobody is addressing her.. Shut off that laptop honey and get out a good book cos Im about to bore you some more..

Kitty said a lot more than just that Luce..

The photographer is not from Ireland.
He is Romanian and the pics are done there:/
Pics from this studio are used aswell in Bucharest On escort websites,wich I think is pretty obvious the provenience of them.
I don't think there are "independent" girls "exported" from his town. But everybody thinks how he wants :/
Or how doesn't wants://

Nope nobody has said they are independent, we have acknowledged tey are pimped.. did you mention exploited or trafficked... eh nope... You did not Kitty..

follow as well u willy and u choose where to go.
Pls don't use that word "trafficked".
A forced girl is miserable and upset and grumpy and will be very easy noticed.
But is not the case. All those smiles on the face shows the proud of making money for "el Rey".
Okay cool. I said enought and I'll stop talking for a while about it.i better enjoy my Holliday home now.

Ah you have used the word trafficked, and I wouldnt dare to use it. And yes a forced girl would be very easy to notice. I have seen a lot of Romanian girls in my time... how bout you Luce?

U heard?
Oooo,honest to be,the opinion of people who just registered here,are not counted.
They probably been helped and now they paying in change for that help,well that's different.And all with conscience.nobody helps u for free in this life

Nope ... nothing is free in this world, if some one helps you you gotta pay up...

Another word very used here is "agency".
And some of u doesn't have a clue what an agency means.
I worked in London aswell and there the most popular way of working is with an agency.
An agency answer the phones and sends the client just at my door.myself I charge whatever I want to change and from that price,they will get 40% or 35, depends on the agency.i don't know the guys from agency,as the phone is the only way of talking.
The same in ireland are the agency.
If a girl has the pleasure of working for that guy and giving him the profit,I wouldn't call it agency my dear.

If a girl has the pleasure to work for that guy that IS not agency, that is pimped... or did you mean trafficked... ha ha of course you didnt honey..




So this is what Kitty is saying as far as I can see. And I am very sure she does know them, what makes you sure I dont.. Brain, Engage, think.... I have already told you what other girls have said against the idea of these girls being "Trafficked", surely you have a few to support your "Trafficked" claim... We would love to hear them.

BTW, seeing as Kitty is providing the backbone of your argument, have you spoken to her or met her. How do you know she is not pimped... Well I have met her Lucy, and I can assure you she looks anything but a girl that is controlled or hassled, so would that put me in a better position to analyse here over you... use your slightly more analytical brain on that one. In fact I have met a lot of romanian girls that you are assuming to be trafficked and my slightly less analytical brain tells me they were happy in their work... as a matter of interest... eh.. how many have you met...


You bring up that word again "trafficked"... ouch, a word yet to be proven, a word yet to be near to be shown here amounts esorst advertising on EI, a word asked by Kitty not to be used. As I have already stated, I would not visit a girl I thought trafficked, but thanks for the warning anyway... Oh my god, a horrible thought, how do we know you are not trafficked and forced to work here by a bad man that you owe thousands to. Ah! but you wouldnt feed us a line would ya babes...

Hope you are not still bored... Muaah

[monster_monster]

Yes monster I'm talking about u. U found the court transcript as I remember.
U are a punter as well and u wanted to show people another face of escorting.
But unfortunately not all the guys thinks like u do....

Unfortunately Kitty, most people that post on this site are more interested in wishing each other a "Good morning" instead of actually discussing the industry itself. They don't give a flying fuck if they visit an pimped escort as long as she seems happy at the time. Deep down I think they know what they are doing but choose to try and pretend it's all OK by trying to justify the fact they see these girls.

[monster_monster]

The point is we don't know if that is actually the situation though, do we? Apparently, these escorts are actually HAPPY to work for this guy, should this actually be the case. Do you actually know the details of their situation?

HAPPY to work for which guy? If you know they are working for anyone surely they should be marked as an agency and not independent?

[saoirsemac]

HAPPY to work for which guy? If you know they are working for anyone surely they should be marked as an agency and not independent?

was just wondering that, sam is admiting that they know they are working for someone and happy,

then why are they allowed to list as indie??? hardly fair,

and as james said shudnt the punters have a choice

[Lucy Chambers]

Human Trafficking: Definition

Human trafficking -- the sale, transport and profit from human beings who are forced to work for others.

Oh gawd will people stop boring Lucy... she is really bored again, but still keeps posting when nobody is addressing her.. Shut off that laptop honey and get out a good book cos Im about to bore you some more..

Kitty said a lot more than just that Luce..



Nope nobody has said they are independent, we have acknowledged tey are pimped.. did you mention exploited or trafficked... eh nope... You did not Kitty..



Ah you have used the word trafficked, and I wouldnt dare to use it. And yes a forced girl would be very easy to notice. I have seen a lot of Romanian girls in my time... how bout you Luce?



Nope ... nothing is free in this world, if some one helps you you gotta pay up...




If a girl has the pleasure to work for that guy that IS not agency, that is pimped... or did you mean trafficked... ha ha of course you didnt honey..




So this is what Kitty is saying as far as I can see. And I am very sure she does know them, what makes you sure I dont.. Brain, Engage, think.... I have already told you what other girls have said against the idea of these girls being "Trafficked", surely you have a few to support your "Trafficked" claim... We would love to hear them.

BTW, seeing as Kitty is providing the backbone of your argument, have you spoken to her or met her. How do you know she is not pimped... Well I have met her Lucy, and I can assure you she looks anything but a girl that is controlled or hassled, so would that put me in a better position to analyse here over you... use your slightly more analytical brain on that one. In fact I have met a lot of romanian girls that you are assuming to be trafficked and my slightly less analytical brain tells me they were happy in their work... as a matter of interest... eh.. how many have you met...


You bring up that word again "trafficked"... ouch, a word yet to be proven, a word yet to be near to be shown here amounts esorst advertising on EI, a word asked by Kitty not to be used. As I have already stated, I would not visit a girl I thought trafficked, but thanks for the warning anyway... Oh my god, a horrible thought, how do we know you are not trafficked and forced to work here by a bad man that you owe thousands to. Ah! but you wouldnt feed us a line would ya babes...

Hope you are not still bored... Muaah

I didnt bring up the word, you did. And then brought a whole load of guff in to support your view. As it happens, a close friend of mine does know Kitty. You however have met these ladies as a client, you do not know them. As long as you are a client, forgive me if I take anything you are told with ever such a large pinch of salt. I also did not at any time state that Kitty was pimped, yet again propoganda to add to your non argument. Trafficking also refers to transport across state lines, that is the only requirement to be charged with it, that you facilitated someones entry. An escort was xcharged with in Belfast recently, no?

As ot the rest, its just James jumping through hoops to give us the low down. Which is quite..laughable. Hear whatever else you want

[gentelmandave]

Unfortunately Kitty, most people that post on this site are more interested in wishing each other a "Good morning" instead of actually discussing the industry itself. They don't give a flying fuck if they visit an pimped escort as long as she seems happy at the time. Deep down I think they know what they are doing but choose to try and pretend it's all OK by trying to justify the fact they see these girls.

I could never see a girl like you say "They don't give a flying fuck if they visit an pimped escort as long as she seems happy at the time." i Dont punt through lack off Funds but could never meet a Lady through here if i thought she was doin it against her will, Bastards

[samlad]

I didn't admit that they are agency... how the hell would I know? I said 'if that was the case' and was talking hypothetically in response to a comment made by an escort.

There's no proof either way. If this guy is trafficking or pimping escorts illegally and they are involved with this group of Romanian escorts involved in the court case, why are they not mentioned in the transcripts?

To be honest it just seems like a preemptive strike generally. If any escort is found to be involved in any serious legal issue, we will pull their profiles and the police will come to us for information.

So much for innocent until proven guilty. I hope you lot are not my jury should I ever be on trail for a crime!

[Lucy Chambers]

I didn't admit that they are agency... how the hell would I know? I said 'if that was the case' and was talking hypothetically in response to a comment made by an escort.

There's no proof either way. If this guy is trafficking or pimping escorts illegally and they are involved with this group of Romanian escorts involved in the court case, why are they not mentioned in the transcripts?

To be honest it just seems like a preemptive strike generally. If any escort is found to be involved in any serious legal issue, we will pull their profiles and the police will come to us for information.

So much for innocent until proven guilty. I hope you lot are not my jury should I ever be on trail for a crime!

There was no preemptive strike, the profile was put up for info and several people said they wouldnt go there. There are other links between those profiles but until there is another court case that neither here nor there. However surely it is advisable in this climate for people to be able to make freedom of choice who they see, and to gather as much evidence as they can?

[samlad]

There was no preemptive strike, the profile was put up for info and several people said they wouldnt go there. There are other links between those profiles but until there is another court case that neither here nor there. However surely it is advisable in this climate for people to be able to make freedom of choice who they see, and to gather as much evidence as they can?

The point I am making really is that, as you said, the court case is still pending, so we can't state these these as fact if there is no evidence. Sure, people should make a choice, but I've removed comments said for (who would be considered) true independent on the same principals.

It's rumours. If these escorts use the same photographer and someone wants to veer clear, nobody is stopping them. We hear so much about the media twisting things and changing the context of things... that always happens here! Apparently, I've worked for E-I before being Samlad 'in some other capacity', Nicole is apparently my other account and someone earlier states that true independents have escorts working for them...?

Do we laugh it off or assume that there must be an element of truth to these things? In my eyes, truth is a series of events that have been agreed upon by the majority... fact is what actually happened.

The problem with this industry is the whole anonymity of it all. As long as there is anonymity, there's ambiguity. That's also the fundamental flaw of a reviews system.