My next punt will be...

[samlad]

o james really.... get a grip love

no matter how u dress it u actual cudnt give a flying fuck, just acting that way coz certin posters challenge u,

as long as she ''looks'' happy looks good and fucks good is all u care about

u cudnt give a fuck if there a pimp next store taing 80e of her 100e, and holding her to work for him by debt, getting anyone to work off a debt by means of prostition is indeed exploiting that girl/man. some have been brought here to earn money under guise of normal jobs, some know they are here to work as prostitues,

but tell me if the girl is getting 100e per hour in romaina and its going into her pocket why leave family and friends to work for someone for 40e an hour doesnt add up,

there is girls been exploited here, ur a fool if u dnt think so, they may have come willing, they may even come knowing they will be escorts but anyone taking a cut of a girls earnings is exploiting, be it the local pimp making an indie paying hush money etc its blackmail and exploitation,

u know this james, u choose to ignore it,

lets hope after ur punt with the newest lasher posing with a chair u sleep well

the thing is i bet u actual do,

The point is we don't know if that is actually the situation though, do we? Apparently, these escorts are actually HAPPY to work for this guy, should this actually be the case. Do you actually know the details of their situation?

[JAMESCORK]

The point is we don't know if that is actually the situation though, do we? Apparently, these escorts are actually HAPPY to work for this guy, should this actually be the case. Do you actually know the details of their situation?

Thanks Sam... I wanted to say that but in a more longwinded way, lol... dont have time right now....

[Lucy Chambers]

What were the nature of those statements Luce?

Dunno really. I guess thats why I said to await the outcome of any courtcase. It does tend to be the case that statements used by the defence tend to back up any case they have.

In any case, Im far happier listening to Kitty's view on this subject, I think she may know more than any of us.

[JAMESCORK]

Dunno really. I guess thats why I said to await the outcome of any courtcase. It does tend to be the case that statements used by the defence tend to back up any case they have.

In any case, Im far happier listening to Kitty's view on this subject, I think she may know more than any of us.

I am way happier to listen to Kitty too rather than someone that reads a newspaper article or a court transcript. I would be even more happier to talk to people that know these people personally, wouldnt you?

BTW.. what do you think Kitty is actually saying here Luce?

[JAMESCORK]

o james really.... get a grip love

no matter how u dress it u actual cudnt give a flying fuck, just acting that way coz certin posters challenge u,

as long as she ''looks'' happy looks good and fucks good is all u care about

u cudnt give a fuck if there a pimp next store taing 80e of her 100e, and holding her to work for him by debt, getting anyone to work off a debt by means of prostition is indeed exploiting that girl/man. some have been brought here to earn money under guise of normal jobs, some know they are here to work as prostitues,

but tell me if the girl is getting 100e per hour in romaina and its going into her pocket why leave family and friends to work for someone for 40e an hour doesnt add up,

there is girls been exploited here, ur a fool if u dnt think so, they may have come willing, they may even come knowing they will be escorts but anyone taking a cut of a girls earnings is exploiting, be it the local pimp making an indie paying hush money etc its blackmail and exploitation,

u know this james, u choose to ignore it,

lets hope after ur punt with the newest lasher posing with a chair u sleep well

the thing is i bet u actual do,

I sleep perfectly well thank you Saoirse. And I will choose to visit any girl I see fit and do not need you or anyone to direct me or advise me.

I take it you seem to be putting forward here that these girls with the common background & props are working for Florin Ghuinea and are all to be avoided. Is this what you are saying??? Please answer this firstly so as that we are clear what your stance is.

Where do you get your info from Saoirse. Is it from hearsay or gossip, or is it from the media… or do you actually have direct contact with these girls and have been told that this is the case. Ok so let’s say that maybe there is a chance that these girls do not work for Ghenosu but maybe work for another pimp. But no matter who they work for, how do you know that these girls are ill treated. How do you know that these girls are not quite happy to hand over 50% for the service they receive in return, i.e. transportation, accommodation, phone answered etc… I don’t know where you get your figure of 80% share to the pimp, I am led to believe the figure is nearer to 40% but this is none of our business. What an escort earns or is happy to work for is irrelevant so long as she is happy to work. So should I avoid an escort on the basis that she does not earn as much as an indie?… no I will not… If I was to hear that your landlord was exploiting you by charging you 300 euros a day for accommodation should I avoid you too?

In the past 24 hours I have been in contact with a number girls from Romania of whom I would consider to be friends. Certain individuals lived near, or in the town of Tar******* where a lot of the notorious pimps hail from. Certain others of these girls had used this “Famous” photographer and had profile pics very similar to those highlighted, but subsequently have changed to other photographers. They are all indie now, but some were pimped before they went indie. I asked why they accepted the terms of a pimp at that time, and why they are now Independent. I was told that initially language, geography and accommodation was a problem for a foreigner, and it suited to have all this taken care for them. Now they know the ropes, to be indie is more lucrative, but still assert that being pimped was not all that bad either. They have never been forced or ill-treated, and moved from pimped to indie of their own free will. When asked did they know of ANY girl anywhere being here against their will or being mistreated in any way… in fairness they said they could not answer that question as they did not know ALL the girls, but suggested as they would often see them travelling to and from Romania, that nothing untoward seemed obvious.

But we see in the Independent and the Examiner reports of blackmail and extortion…. Prostitution is a lucrative business and will certainly attract greed and dodgy characters. The newspapers will attempt to sensationalise a story sometimes to make it more saleable, especially if it uses quotes form Rhuama or the likes. We have had a sensationalistic article only last week https://www.escort-ireland.com/board...ad.php?t=84091 where all that read it accepted that facts were exaggerated. All I’m saying is don’t believe everything that you read in the papers. Even though there is little evidence of extortion or blackmail of escorts on the street doesn’t mean its not happening in certain cases, and as Lucy says its best to await the outcome of the trials in Romania before we started making judgment in this particular case.

There have been many debates on here before comparing indies with pimped. Should we only book indies? or is it ok to book pimped girls as well?. This is a personal choice, for each member to make. It is wrong however, to generalise and tar all escorts with the same brush because of their nationality. I do not see a difference whether an escort is indie or pimped, so long as she is not exploited I am happy to visit her. But if I have knowledge that she is trafficked, exploited, abused or here against her will… of course I will not visit her, and would probably contact the police. But please let nobody here judge me and scorn my choice of escort over hearsay or on her choice of photographer… if you have exact information I will of course heed it, but until then, please mind your own business…

[Lucy Chambers]

I am way happier to listen to Kitty too rather than someone that reads a newspaper article or a court transcript. I would be even more happier to talk to people that know these people personally, wouldnt you?

BTW.. what do you think Kitty is actually saying here Luce?

I think she is saying ladies who work for that particular gang arent actually part of an agency, per se James. I do tend to be slightly more analytical, and since you are clearly saying you have spoken to these ladies, why not fill us all in? Umless of course you might be being fed a line someone prefers you to hear. In any event, Im getting really bored with this. There is a law that states if you sleep with a trafficked escort, knowingly or not, then you can be tried for rape. Argue with that law, not anyone here, bacause personally, Im not taking those kinds of risks. Many people dont want to take that risk, for many reasons. Others are happy to, excellent, no bother.

If you can delineate what is clearly willing agency, and clearly trafficking for the purposes of prostitution, (which actually, can be one and the same in law) fantastic, happy punting. However I think castigating those who would like to be sure is both unwise and slightly egotistical, much like stating you dont really care the origin as long as the tits and ass are nice.

[Lucy Chambers]

I think she is saying ladies who work for that particular gang arent actually part of an agency, per se James. I do tend to be slightly more analytical, and since you are clearly saying you have spoken to these ladies, why not fill us all in? Umless of course you might be being fed a line someone prefers you to hear. In any event, Im getting really bored with this. There is a law that states if you sleep with a trafficked escort, knowingly or not, then you can be tried for rape. Argue with that law, not anyone here, bacause personally, Im not taking those kinds of risks. Many people dont want to take that risk, for many reasons. Others are happy to, excellent, no bother.

If you can delineate what is clearly willing agency, and clearly trafficking for the purposes of prostitution, (which actually, can be one and the same in law) fantastic, happy punting. However I think castigating those who would like to be sure is both unwise and slightly egotistical, much like stating you dont really care the origin as long as the tits and ass are nice.

Oh, and James? What makes you so sure Kitty doesnt know them? Brain. Engage. Think.

[saoirsemac]

I sleep perfectly well thank you Saoirse. And I will choose to visit any girl I see fit and do not need you or anyone to direct me or advise me.

I take it you seem to be putting forward here that these girls with the common background & props are working for Florin Ghuinea and are all to be avoided. Is this what you are saying??? Please answer this firstly so as that we are clear what your stance is.

Where do you get your info from Saoirse. Is it from hearsay or gossip, or is it from the media… or do you actually have direct contact with these girls and have been told that this is the case. Ok so let’s say that maybe there is a chance that these girls do not work for Ghenosu but maybe work for another pimp. But no matter who they work for, how do you know that these girls are ill treated. How do you know that these girls are not quite happy to hand over 50% for the service they receive in return, i.e. transportation, accommodation, phone answered etc… I don’t know where you get your figure of 80% share to the pimp, I am led to believe the figure is nearer to 40% but this is none of our business. What an escort earns or is happy to work for is irrelevant so long as she is happy to work. So should I avoid an escort on the basis that she does not earn as much as an indie?… no I will not… If I was to hear that your landlord was exploiting you by charging you 300 euros a day for accommodation should I avoid you too?

In the past 24 hours I have been in contact with a number girls from Romania of whom I would consider to be friends. Certain individuals lived near, or in the town of Tar******* where a lot of the notorious pimps hail from. Certain others of these girls had used this “Famous” photographer and had profile pics very similar to those highlighted, but subsequently have changed to other photographers. They are all indie now, but some were pimped before they went indie. I asked why they accepted the terms of a pimp at that time, and why they are now Independent. I was told that initially language, geography and accommodation was a problem for a foreigner, and it suited to have all this taken care for them. Now they know the ropes, to be indie is more lucrative, but still assert that being pimped was not all that bad either. They have never been forced or ill-treated, and moved from pimped to indie of their own free will. When asked did they know of ANY girl anywhere being here against their will or being mistreated in any way… in fairness they said they could not answer that question as they did not know ALL the girls, but suggested as they would often see them travelling to and from Romania, that nothing untoward seemed obvious.

But we see in the Independent and the Examiner reports of blackmail and extortion…. Prostitution is a lucrative business and will certainly attract greed and dodgy characters. The newspapers will attempt to sensationalise a story sometimes to make it more saleable, especially if it uses quotes form Rhuama or the likes. We have had a sensationalistic article only last week https://www.escort-ireland.com/board...ad.php?t=84091 where all that read it accepted that facts were exaggerated. All I’m saying is don’t believe everything that you read in the papers. Even though there is little evidence of extortion or blackmail of escorts on the street doesn’t mean its not happening in certain cases, and as Lucy says its best to await the outcome of the trials in Romania before we started making judgment in this particular case.

There have been many debates on here before comparing indies with pimped. Should we only book indies? or is it ok to book pimped girls as well?. This is a personal choice, for each member to make. It is wrong however, to generalise and tar all escorts with the same brush because of their nationality. I do not see a difference whether an escort is indie or pimped, so long as she is not exploited I am happy to visit her. But if I have knowledge that she is trafficked, exploited, abused or here against her will… of course I will not visit her, and would probably contact the police. But please let nobody here judge me and scorn my choice of escort over hearsay or on her choice of photographer… if you have exact information I will of course heed it, but until then, please mind your own business…

o james james james,

u are a lost cause, and figures, i will admit i threw down a figure as an example, but a trafficed girl im guessing the 80% wud be about right as a means to pay her debts back,

how do i know james i work in the industry i agree some may have been agency to get a foot hold here of course, is it fair they are allowed to advertise as indie when there not nope its is not

and ya my landlord exploits me been waiting a month for him to fix my dryer the bastard,

just continue with what ur doing james anyway and listening to fed lines,

and the profiles mmm i wnt say avoid or not i have a number here and a location and these aint nice people,

but fair is fair lets await the court judgements, it will be intreasting anyway!

[JAMESCORK]

o james james james,

u are a lost cause, and figures, i will admit i threw down a figure as an example, but a trafficed girl im guessing the 80% wud be about right as a means to pay her debts back,

how do i know james i work in the industry i agree some may have been agency to get a foot hold here of course, is it fair they are allowed to advertise as indie when there not nope its is not

and ya my landlord exploits me been waiting a month for him to fix my dryer the bastard,

just continue with what ur doing james anyway and listening to fed lines,

and the profiles mmm i wnt say avoid or not i have a number here and a location and these aint nice people,

but fair is fair lets await the court judgements, it will be intreasting anyway!

Ha!... how do I know you are not feeding me lines Orla Worla... you already fed me dodgy figures, and upi are still doing it by saying 80% of escorts are trafficked...

Careful now...

[Lucy Chambers]

Ha!... how do I know you are not feeding me lines Orla Worla... you already fed me dodgy figures, and upi are still doing it by saying 80% of escorts are trafficked...

Careful now...

Did you translate the Ghenousu document in full James? There were wiretaps put on all members of the gang, did you read the transcriptions of the conversations between the ladies and their boyfriends?