Gardai start implimenting "zero tolerance " to kerb crawling!

[damron]

No need to come to Limerick.No girls not even a dog on the streets now.

[Mioux]

The ladies don't need to 'work somewhere', what they need is better choices and options and better government support to help not have to turn to prostitution in the first place. This is a good initiative. The women are being sent to support services and the men only are getting arrested. Usually it's the other way around. Also in Ruhama you can keep working and still get help/suport from them, so why shouldn't the fines go to them, Ruhama do great work for those that need their help, do you even know what they do besides the TORL? Just because they have set up the TORL doesn't mean that the normal work they do isn't great.

Any man who uses street prostitutes is gross in my book, the majority of the women (i doubt ANYONE would do it for fun) are in poverty, have kids to feed, are drug addicts, or are being pimped out, or are in an abusive relationship and their partner is making them do it.

[rubberbootlvr]

Mioux,
I beg to differ on some cases here in Limerick,there were Rumanian girls staying in a top class hotel [By Limerick standards],where the room were knocking out at 150 euros per night.The girls were turning over about 650 euros per night on the street in Limerick.This al came out in a district court case about this where they were fined appx 150 euros each..
so sorry,I really cant buy in certain cases that these girls are poor ,starving innnocent little waifs who are being forced into this.
I'm not denying that there is a certain amount ofexplotation or forced prostitution ,Ireland Europe and world wide.But it is too broad a brush stroke to say ALL street hookers are exploited etc.

As morphus pointed out,well and good if it was to get the girls off the street,but it isnt..After all how many "brothels"[Aks crummy apartments] have been raided here,than girls been picked off the streets??
Also,would Ruhma care to explain WHY it has a remarkably large amount of religious personel in their organisation,whose predecessors were involved in running the Magdalene laundries??I suggest a google of this to see basically what sort of human rights abuse that hasnt been seen outside Stalinst Russias gulags went on in "holy catholic Ireland" in the 1920s up to the late 1980s!!Sort of like using ex SS personel to gaurd a synagouge if you ask me!
Just for a historical pointDublin in the 1920s had a bigger red light zone than London..It was called "the Monto" which was the area behind the GPO,Moore st area? Closed down by the religious bigots and Fascists that came in with DeVelaras Ireland.
We could have a brilliant tourist playground on par with Amsterdam,hadnt it been for religious intolerance here.

Also,could anyone explain to me, as abit of a thicko..How is this Swedish model supposed to work??It isnt illegal to be a prostitute,but illegal to procure the services of one??Sort of like saying you are a doctor,but you cant have any patients???

[Mioux]

well done. you blasted my argument because of one high profile, very unusual case. I never said ALL were being exploited, i said most. Even EI says not to use street escorts.

It is to get the girls off the street; the men are arrested and women are sent to support services where they are given more options and choices.

Ruhama have no religious 'personell' anymore. They have no religious agenda, but you're of course going to believe whatever you want to believe to help you sleep at night.

Yes, predecessors. Ruhama and the magdalene laundries have nothing in common. Again, do you even know what Ruhama does apart from TORL? They are saving lives, but you probably wouldn't want to know about the good they do.

I know all about Monto. I was a prostitute, after all.

The swedish model reduces the demand (puts the onus on the buyer and relieves the seller of responsiblity) which has significantly reduced trafficking (unlike in Holland where it went up 100%), and it has halved street prostitution. No demand on the streets = no street prostitution

[rubberbootlvr]

The swedish model reduces the demand (puts the onus on the buyer and relieves the seller of responsiblity) which has significantly reduced trafficking (unlike in Holland where it went up 100%), and it has halved street prostitution. No demand on the streets = no street prostitution
So in other words it is impossible to conduct a physical busisness transaction?? You call yourself a prostitute ,but you cant sell your services as it is illegal to buy them??? So you can call yourself then a brain surgeon in Sweden or a hitman,but because you cant actually produce the goods or services you have no way of accessing the payment.


Ruhama have no religious 'personell' anymore. They have no religious agenda, but you're of course going to believe whatever you want to believe to help you sleep at night.
I suggest my dear you have a look properly at this organisation and who is funding it that you support so enthaustically that is going to put your working colleuges out of busisness and make your eX profession even more dangerous and open to abuse.I sleep very well at night too thanks very much.

Yes, predecessors. Ruhama and the magdalene laundries have nothing in common. Again, do you even know what Ruhama does apart from TORL? They are saving lives, but you probably wouldn't want to know about the good they do.

Apart from meddling in peoples personel choice and lifestyles..After all why did you become a hooker?? Do tell us what good do they do???Maybe if they laid off being so judgemental on the lifestyle choice of some people they mightnt percived so negatively??

I know all about Monto. I was a prostitute, after all.

Good .Then you will know WHY it was closed down,WHO closed it down and the consequences for the women who worked there when they ended up in the states tender care.

well done. you blasted my argument because of one high profile, very unusual case. I never said ALL were being exploited, i said most. Even EI says not to use street escorts.

Yeah,I said that too,but I also said you are using a very broad brush to paint ALL in the same situation..But obviously you have more" experiance" of this lifestyle so I'll bow to your superior knowledge of this.You obviously missed the fact that it is not only street prostitutes that the gardai are going after it is those working indoors as well..


On a personal note ..Were you always so bitchy with your clients??

[Mioux]

wow. you just called me a hooker. You just showed your absolutely disrespect.

[Morpheus]

Dear Mioux,

Everyone is entitled to her/his own opinion and express it on this forum. Which adds to the richness of this forum. However, it would make these discussions on the TOBL forum here much easier if you just stated you stance on the main issue.

Could you kindly tell us whether you support the change in legislation in Ireland to criminilize clients of escorts (as per the Swedish model)?

(From all your posts on this particular forum, it sounds to me that you are very much in favour of this legislation and therefore supportive of the TORL campaign. As mentioned above everyone is entitled to her/his own opinion, but it would prevent this back and forth arguments if you showed your cards up front)

[UKHeather]

Mioux,
I beg to differ on some cases here in Limerick,there were Rumanian girls staying in a top class hotel [By Limerick standards],where the room were knocking out at 150 euros per night.The girls were turning over about 650 euros per night on the street in Limerick.This al came out in a district court case about this where they were fined appx 150 euros each..
so sorry,I really cant buy in certain cases that these girls are poor ,starving innnocent little waifs who are being forced into this.
I'm not denying that there is a certain amount ofexplotation or forced prostitution ,Ireland Europe and world wide.But it is too broad a brush stroke to say ALL street hookers are exploited etc.

You are kidding yourself. I have a friend who is a support worker who works mainly with street girls. She could tell you different!

[rubberbootlvr]

Yes..amazing how many people have "friends" who claim to be this ,that ,and the other to back up their points of view or opinion..Im sure other people could have friends who work as street girls who would say the exact opposite.
Amazing also how some people here jump on somone with a differing opinion on the subject.Not to mind some little bit of factual info...I wonder has this board aready been infiltrated by people who want to see escort services banned totally in Ireland,who are claiming to be ex escort girls or whatever
One to keep in mind ,on some posters attitudes and replies.You can claim to be anything on the interweb.PROOF is always a different matter.

[UKHeather]

Yes..amazing how many people have "friends" who claim to be this ,that ,and the other to back up their points of view or opinion..Im sure other people could have friends who work as street girls who would say the exact opposite.
Amazing also how some people here jump on somone with a differing opinion on the subject.Not to mind some little bit of factual info...I wonder has this board aready been infiltrated by people who want to see escort services banned totally in Ireland,who are claiming to be ex escort girls or whatever
One to keep in mind ,on some posters attitudes and replies.You can claim to be anything on the interweb.PROOF is always a different matter.

She is a social worker who took the post as the outreach worker for Genesis in Leeds. Look them up and give her a call if PROOF is important to you. Maybe she will fill you in. More likely she will tell you to fuck off.