Gardai start implimenting "zero tolerance " to kerb crawling!

[Malahideguy]

While the act of solicitation, prostitution and brothel keeping remains illegal this debate will always be present.
While on the one hand it is good to see the gardai being proactive in tackling street prostitution, "every action has an equal and opposite reaction" in that it will no doubt, while the demand exists, push it further underground which unfortunately has negative consequences for the girls and punters, thus swelling any campaign against this line of work/recreation that it is sordid, dangerous and against the better good.
I think some previous posts have debated this topic very well but what I am finding it hard to understand is how any organisation such as ruhamma can offer the girls a sustainable alternative, or choice as it has been previously described. The reasons for street prostitution are lengthy and well known and the traps once in the scene for the girls are just as numerous..... However these are powerful vices/traps and difficult to "walk" away from....
If ruhamma or any other organisation is that concerned with the welfare of the girls then targeting the punter "to remove the demand and no demand no service needed", will NEVER work and will NEVER eliminate street work. So it will NEVER fulfil it's mandate.
To provide a safe environment of good welfare and choice for the girls, while at the same time providing protection for the punter, brothels MUST be legalised and regulated.
By doing so, safe systems of work which can be reviewed, adapted and improved will exist which means that the "standard of life" will only ever improve. By legalising and becoming Legitimate businesses, the girls can work safely in conjunction with the law, improving relations with each other thus building trust, the girls can work in a healthier clean environment, receiving regular check ups, tests and even compensated treatments if required, and thirdly the government can take a revenue in the form of normal business taxes.
For the punter it also means, enjoying the experience, in confidence that it is as safe as can be.

This as we all know is ideal, but can be achieved with proactive intelligent thinking, sadly something that lacks in our policy makers.

But to play devils advocate, by carrying out legalisation of brothels, it can have negative consequences for the independent girl..... So no doubt another debate would ensue there.... ;-)

[rubberbootlvr]

You don't call escorts hookers. It's one degree below calling them a whore. This is why I'm no longer interacting with you.

Awwww..I'm sooo upset!!

[warmcome]

prostitution is largely a service which a man buys from a woman.
this fact alone reveals which gender holds the power in typical sexual relations.
a female can get laid far quicker than a male because that is the way
sex is stuctured throughout natural society. females exploit this fact in their
dealings with males, which is of course their right.

i percieve all attempts to abolish prostitution as primarily anti-male.

[hotsophie]

I think people forget that prostitution was around before any other job in the world so trying to abolish it will not happen no matter hard people try.

I certainly don't agree with us ladies being criminalized for what we do , nor do i think the clients should be either. We provide a service that will be wanted up till the end of time. So if this argument is going to go on till then it will never end lol. I think there should be another way of looking at this and saying right, its the pimps who need to be criminalized.......... There must be some way to find this out, i mean when i look at the website i can normally guess in each town who the agency girls are and who aren't. Wouldn't the police and organizations be better off keeping an eye on these than genuine independents.

[randomman]

never one kerb crawling, would be shitting it

[UKHeather]

Mioux,
I beg to differ on some cases here in Limerick,there were Rumanian girls staying in a top class hotel [By Limerick standards],where the room were knocking out at 150 euros per night.The girls were turning over about 650 euros per night on the street in Limerick.This al came out in a district court case about this where they were fined appx 150 euros each..
so sorry,I really cant buy in certain cases that these girls are poor ,starving innnocent little waifs who are being forced into this.
I'm not denying that there is a certain amount ofexplotation or forced prostitution ,Ireland Europe and world wide.But it is too broad a brush stroke to say ALL street hookers are exploited etc.

You are kidding yourself. I have a friend who is a support worker who works mainly with street girls. She could tell you different!

[rubberbootlvr]

Yes..amazing how many people have "friends" who claim to be this ,that ,and the other to back up their points of view or opinion..Im sure other people could have friends who work as street girls who would say the exact opposite.
Amazing also how some people here jump on somone with a differing opinion on the subject.Not to mind some little bit of factual info...I wonder has this board aready been infiltrated by people who want to see escort services banned totally in Ireland,who are claiming to be ex escort girls or whatever
One to keep in mind ,on some posters attitudes and replies.You can claim to be anything on the interweb.PROOF is always a different matter.

[UKHeather]

Yes..amazing how many people have "friends" who claim to be this ,that ,and the other to back up their points of view or opinion..Im sure other people could have friends who work as street girls who would say the exact opposite.
Amazing also how some people here jump on somone with a differing opinion on the subject.Not to mind some little bit of factual info...I wonder has this board aready been infiltrated by people who want to see escort services banned totally in Ireland,who are claiming to be ex escort girls or whatever
One to keep in mind ,on some posters attitudes and replies.You can claim to be anything on the interweb.PROOF is always a different matter.

She is a social worker who took the post as the outreach worker for Genesis in Leeds. Look them up and give her a call if PROOF is important to you. Maybe she will fill you in. More likely she will tell you to fuck off.

[rubberbootlvr]

Yeah,Uk Heather..Of course she will..Your point being???Yeah,somone you know worked on somthing in Leeds,but with no name its hardly follow up and provable is it?????Name and addy[Even by PM] so I could actually do it is hardly going to be forthcoming is it???
BTW why is everyone so crabby about somthing that is easily checked out as a true story.Yet only can respond with heresay and abuse???

[UKHeather]

Yeah,Uk Heather..Of course she will..Your point being???Yeah,somone you know worked on somthing in Leeds,but with no name its hardly follow up and provable is it?????Name and addy[Even by PM] so I could actually do it is hardly going to be forthcoming is it???
BTW why is everyone so crabby about somthing that is easily checked out as a true story.Yet only can respond with heresay and abuse???

Here is the contact details for them

http://www.genesisleeds.org.uk/conta...0c01_page.aspx

You could drop them a line and tell them your theory. Ask them for a few horror stories such as the one about the pregnant girl in a dirty dark unheated flat that was being visited by men paying her for sex.

The fact is that the majority of young women, often underrage, working on the streets were targetted. The pimp takes the vulnerable girl as a girlfriend, gets her started on drugs, gets her to fuck his mates (she will if she loves him) next thing she is on the streets to keep him and to pay for her drugs.