Ad thread rules.

[luther]

Will someone please post something relevant to this thread?

If you want to deny that that ad forum is a forum, then fine. I don't care. Call it whatever the **** you want. That is not the issue.

There is a reason escort are paying for those ads. It's because they want people to read them. As I said in my last post, the rules changed in a way that make me much less likely to read them. From the list of threads, sorted by number of times viewed, which you can see here and here, it is clear that many other people are also not reading them much. I will say it again, since it seems not to have sunk in, of the 200 most viewed ad threads, all of them, without exception, are from before the rules changed. People are not reading the ad forums the way they used to, because they are no longer worth reading. That is the issue.

Of course there are less views. It's because there is less on each thread to view...........

A simple explanation of this...........

Under the old system, if I'm on line and an ad thread is posted I'm probably going to look at it........
If someone else posts on that ad thread, I'm probably going to look at it again..........
And if people post on that thread 20 times while I'm on line, every time that thread pops back up to the top because it has a new post on it, I'm probably going to view it...........

If there are 20 people online when this is going on and they all do the same as me, that's 400 views from 20 people..........

Now I've only actually only read the original ad post once, as will probably be the case with the other 20 people on line, so all the other views that you are pointing out are people viewing the other stuff on the thread, not the ad...........

Under the new system the same people, like me, are unlikely to view an ad thread more that once...........

That's why there is such a difference in the view count............

[whiteknight111]

Can't we all just get along

I sugest a comprimse
A limit on the number of global replies to each thread
A limit on number of indiivudual replies to each thread
A time limit before each thread is locked.
This would allow for a limited banter/discussion on a thread
without the adverse effects of bumping and such.

Not sure If techinhal speaking this is a big deal if it is then
I think the new rules are better than old rules.

[El Gordo]

So far three people have posted saying they like the new rules. All three are mods. Is this a coincidence? I don't think so. The rules were changed because the ad forums were a pain to moderate, not because of any desire to make things fairer for escorts.

Also I notice that no one replied to Anna's comment that "surprisingly the very same people who say there was a massive abuse via banter, are the ones who engaged in this banter regularly". She makes a very good point. See if you can identify the authors of the following posts:

Or Lippy could just turn up at Team Gemma's office during any one of our many T breaks with a penguin bar in one hand and a Jaffa cake in the other and either Gem or Jill is show to take a nibble...

I'll just check the shedule and fit you all in......no bother....thats what you pay me for...

We dont have anything better to do.
We dont have jobs.
We dont have families.

Just as well we both have a sense of humour!

Oh yeah....and we spend all our money on drink and escorts.
Well if Anna feels sorry for us, we'll just have to stop spending on escorts.
Hope that makes her happy again.
Well she had the measure of me ..... inch perfect.... and although the same thoughts were in my mind as you've suggested I couldn't quite fight my way through my tears of depression to type it out..........
Good to see you've stopped short of suggesting we not spend our money on beer though.....
Have to admit, that didn't even enter my mind.....

Step 1 - Punting Moratorium 1st to 30th May

D'ont know if this will have any affect at all, but if it's not tried, chances are change will take much longer to come about, if at all. Even if it does not succeed, there will be no excuse for punters whinging about prices in the future, when they could'nt be bothered to support an initiative to force prices down now.

Good prices for top-notch escorts is one thing, but a fixed market rate for every service provider that is artificially maintained is ludicrous. It's the equivalent of expecting fine wines and plonk to be sold at the same price or no differences in prices between haut couture and ordinary leisureware.

Strange thing is, it seems that some of the more experienced escorts are more amenable to being flexible on pricing. Maybe they understand the market better and can therefore read the writing on the wall.

The last one isn't banter. It even makes a few good points. But is a lady's ad thread really a good place to ask people not to see escorts?

The explanations given for the numbers of views sound plausible, until you look at the actual numbers. Yes, there are people who will read every reply to every thread when they are logged in, and this artificially increases the number of views. But there are only about 6 or 7 such people, judging by the number of posts and views on "drop one, keep one". The ad threads we're talking about typically have hundreds of views per post, so these people have very little effect.

[El Gordo]

Can't we all just get along

I sugest a comprimse
A limit on the number of global replies to each thread
A limit on number of indiivudual replies to each thread
A time limit before each thread is locked.
This would allow for a limited banter/discussion on a thread
without the adverse effects of bumping and such.

Not sure If techinhal speaking this is a big deal if it is then
I think the new rules are better than old rules.

I think it shouldn't be difficult to set things up so that the we keep the advantages of the old system, without the very small amount of abuse which it generated. The question is just whether it's a priority or not. I would be interested to hear what restrictions people think would be reasonable. I would especially like to hear what escorts think, since it's their ads we're talking about.

[luther]

So far three people have posted saying they like the new rules. All three are mods. Is this a coincidence?

From what I can see most of the posts in this thread from mods are attempting to explain things to you...........

And of the 200 odd views of this thread I don't see many others posting to complaind about the rules..........

[El Gordo]

And still no one who is not a mod has posted in favour of the new rules. Whiteknight suggested a compromise solution. It was always claimed that the new rules were brought in at the request of escorts, but the only escort who has posted is Anna, and she clearly doesn't like the new rules.

If you don't like the new rules, luther, then I'm sorry for saying that you do. I assumed that you wouldn't bother arguing with someone you agreed with. Thanks for clarifying that.

200 views, by the way, roughly means the thread is being read only by the people who will read anything. As I said, 6 or 7 views per post is about the minimum you get on E-I. I'm beginning to think I should have posted to General Chat instead, as this section tends to be very quiet. The real place this should be discussed is the private escort forum. It's their ads we're talking about, although obviously we have a right to an opinion as readers (or ex-readers in my case) of those ads.

[luther]

And still no one who is not a mod has posted in favour of the new rules.

And they don't seem to be queing up around the block to complain about them either................

BTW, by the same token, I didn't say I didn't like the new rules either..........

Again, you're jumping to conlcusions..............

[Quarterpoundher]

Same here. I never said I liked the new rules either but they were regretfully needed.

[carlos marvado]

So far three people have posted saying they like the new rules. All three are mods. Is this a coincidence? I don't think so. The rules were changed because the ad forums were a pain to moderate, not because of any desire to make things fairer for escorts.

Also I notice that no one replied to Anna's comment that "surprisingly the very same people who say there was a massive abuse via banter, are the ones who engaged in this banter regularly". She makes a very good point. See if you can identify the authors of the following posts:







The last one isn't banter. It even makes a few good points. But is a lady's ad thread really a good place to ask people not to see escorts?

The explanations given for the numbers of views sound plausible, until you look at the actual numbers. Yes, there are people who will read every reply to every thread when they are logged in, and this artificially increases the number of views. But there are only about 6 or 7 such people, judging by the number of posts and views on "drop one, keep one". The ad threads we're talking about typically have hundreds of views per post, so these people have very little effect.

Well I certainly recognise my post of April 2008 suggesting a punting moratorium for May 2008 in order to encourage a reduction in prices. I did'nt realise that I had posted it on an advertising thread, so I am assuming that there must have been some debate going on on that particular thread and that was my contribution to it. Apart from that, back then Luther and myself were two of the greatest piss-takers on this site (the Blankmann and Ploy of our day) and regularly went to town on threads when we found something amusing to comment on. However, when we became mods we were inform that there was to be no attacking of escorts on their own threads or piss-taking on them and we amended our
own behaviour and started to act responsibly. So that post of mine that you quote, predates me becoming a mod by 13 months and was about 20 months before the new rules were introduced.

You are correct in saying that the advertising threads were a pain in the arse to moderate at times, because when there was some major shit-stirring and rule breaking going on in General Chat and elsewhere, we were also having to deal with escorts posting multiple times on their own advert threads including some using duplicate posting profiles to ask themselves questions, people engaging in banal conversations that did'nt actually elicit any additional information about the escort or her services or availability, plus threads going totally off topic and the occasional case of the escort being harassed or having a virtual review of her posted on the thread. While we had the pain in the ass of dealing with this carry on, the actual complaints about it were being made by other escorts reporting posts on advertising threads......and these were not escorts with poor English (who actually don't or are not in a great position to make use of the forums) but fellow regular escort posters who objected to the manner in which the advertising forums were being abused. So it is not correct to state that the new rules were not introduced because of a desire to make things fairer for all escorts................you were not in the moderator's forum to see the amount of posts that were being reported on a daily basis. In fact, I think Anna23 fell out with some other escorts because she held them responsible for reporting some of the posts on her advertising threads.

The fact that so few people are contributing to this thread, is probably simply a factor of how few people are actually interested in this particular forum. It almost reminds me of the competition forum before Westie took it over and actually started to run some competitions there.

As to my views on the new rules, I think it's pretty obvious from my previous posts on this thread that I like them and I've given my reasons for liking them too.

[Patricia]

Hi,

Sorry I didn't reply for so long. I have some catching up to do around here as I've been too busy on other issues to get onto many things.

I think there were a lot of problems with the Advert Forums before we made the changes. Most of these probably weren't seen as mods were dealing with them, removing posts etc, but there were many complaints etc.

I tend to think we should leave the rules as they now are re Advert Forums and work on encouraging escorts to take part in discussions and banter on other forums that are meant for discussion.

I am not however totally opposed to making changes if it is what the majority of escorts and clients want.

Pat x