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[AmyTantraMassage]

RIP to the person/s whose electric car exploded on the northbound M1 just before M50 early this morning. Sad news. More reason to despise those stupid cars on top of the millions of dead Congolese and thousand of child slaves being forced to mine to manufacture all our electronics’ batteries.


https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/...r-1588603.html

Hate how deceptive that headline is when loads saw the car explode before veering to the barrier.

[Harry68]

A quick google shows 34,000 electric cars registered in Ireland as at January 2023 so if this is the sole catastrophic failure you would be far less likely to die in your electric car than your fossil burner where engine related mechanical failures are more common (between 1 in a hundred and 1 in 400).

As you point out Congo supplies much of the materials for batteries of all kinds and much more materials than that in terms of the innards of mobiles so if you take that as an objection to electric cars you should also take a long look at your mobile (amongst other devices).

[AmyTantraMassage]

A quick google shows 34,000 electric cars registered in Ireland as at January 2023 so if this is the sole catastrophic failure you would be far less likely to die in your electric car than your fossil burner where engine related mechanical failures are more common (between 1 in a hundred and 1 in 400).

As you point out Congo supplies much of the materials for batteries of all kinds and much more materials than that in terms of the innards of mobiles so if you take that as an objection to electric cars you should also take a long look at your mobile (amongst other devices).

Hence why I said batteries. Selective reading/lack of comprehension? Car batteries are way bigger than phone ones meaning even worse conditions than ever for the enslaved.

And wouldn't surprise me. Seeing as the news don't mention his car exploding to begin with. So it'll be reported as victim error as opposed to electric cars aren't as safe as they're trying to imply they are and seeing as they're scaping petrol/diesel cars in a few years...

[DamoEI]

A quick google shows 34,000 electric cars registered in Ireland as at January 2023 so if this is the sole catastrophic failure you would be far less likely to die in your electric car than your fossil burner where engine related mechanical failures are more common (between 1 in a hundred and 1 in 400).

How many "fossil burners" simply explode randomly, killing the driver?! I bet that ratio is a LOT higher. I'll take a 400:1 chance of engine related mechanical failure any day over a 34,000:1 chance of being blown up and killed!

Here's a good article about the folly that is electric cars from someone who was an enthusiastic early adopter.
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...rowan-atkinson

[Harry68]

Interesting article. I don’t think he goes as far as calling them “folly”.

“Increasingly, I’m feeling that our honeymoon with electric cars is coming to an end, and that’s no bad thing: we’re realising that a wider range of options need to be explored if we’re going to properly address the very serious environmental problems that our use of the motor car has created. “

I don’t have an electric myself mainly due to the amount of driving I do and range anxiety is an issue. The technology is also very young and moving so fast that obsolescence will be a huge issue I feel.

I’d stand by my point that an incident like todays (assuming that catching fire is what happened) is very rare and not a reason in itself for knocking electric cars. If that is what is meant by original post. Which I may of course not be comprehending.

[ladiesman217]

Electric cars are a con. So many people are completely oblivious to the slavery conditions of those involved in mining the cobalt/lithium required for the batteries, as you said Amy. All the marketing that's done for these things worldwide by the governments, and not once have I heard them address the slavery issues. Even looking at things environmentally, they really aren't that green once you include the whole mining procedures - the global logistics of moving all the cobalt/lithium from the source, etc. It's madness. Yet they're billed as being the saviour of the planet for cars? Where's all the energy going to come from to run them all if enough of the population adopts them? Wind and solar won't cut it! Back to fossil fuel plants? Isn't the whole thing about reducing the need for fossil fuels?? That only leaves nuclear as an option, which I don't think will happen, not in Ireland anyway.

Hydrogen seems much more promising I think. They're testing it on aircraft and trucks, why the heck not go full scale with cars?? Yet you don't hear as much about it as electric cars. I wonder why?? I think that Shell in California recently shutdown it's Hydrogen stations, though i could not find an answer as to why. Much like every other issue in the world, there are those meddling in it all from the shadows.....

Money money money. Remember, that's what it's ALWAYS about.

[AmyTantraMassage]

Interesting article. I don’t think he goes as far as calling them “folly”.

“Increasingly, I’m feeling that our honeymoon with electric cars is coming to an end, and that’s no bad thing: we’re realising that a wider range of options need to be explored if we’re going to properly address the very serious environmental problems that our use of the motor car has created. “

I don’t have an electric myself mainly due to the amount of driving I do and range anxiety is an issue. The technology is also very young and moving so fast that obsolescence will be a huge issue I feel.

I’d stand by my point that an incident like todays (assuming that catching fire is what happened) is very rare and not a reason in itself for knocking electric cars. If that is what is meant by original post. Which I may of course not be comprehending.

It didn't catch fire. It exploded. Massive difference. On top of possibly being burnt alive, shrapnel would have been involved before he mostly likely died painfully of smoke inhalation. But yes, let's talk about statistics instead of a young man's life being ended by an electric car. The ones they're literally trying to force people to get. And not a word about it in newspaper articles. The silence is screaming so loud yet people like you are being dismissive quoting false statistics. And load have caught fire. Just, fortunately not with loads getting seriously hurt.

[AmyTantraMassage]

Electric cars are a con. So many people are completely oblivious to the slavery conditions of those involved in mining the cobalt/lithium required for the batteries, as you said Amy. All the marketing that's done for these things worldwide by the governments, and not once have I heard them address the slavery issues. Even looking at things environmentally, they really aren't that green once you include the whole mining procedures - the global logistics of moving all the cobalt/lithium from the source, etc. It's madness. Yet they're billed as being the saviour of the planet for cars? Where's all the energy going to come from to run them all if enough of the population adopts them? Wind and solar won't cut it! Back to fossil fuel plants? Isn't the whole thing about reducing the need for fossil fuels?? That only leaves nuclear as an option, which I don't think will happen, not in Ireland anyway.

Hydrogen seems much more promising I think. They're testing it on aircraft and trucks, why the heck not go full scale with cars?? Yet you don't hear as much about it as electric cars. I wonder why?? I think that Shell in California recently shutdown it's Hydrogen stations, though i could not find an answer as to why. Much like every other issue in the world, there are those meddling in it all from the shadows.....

Money money money. Remember, that's what it's ALWAYS about.

They're gonna have to move down the child slave labour from 3 to 2 in Congo as they'll need more forced labour. A few thousand deaths per week are a casualty they're willing to take as long as demand is met.

Compating a small phone battery to a massive car one is just.... But I guess its easy to ignore when the babies dying look nothing g like you and yours.

[TonyB]

I bought an electric car.
Complete shit box
I'll stick with petrol as long as I can

Harry68 is entitled to his opinion, but I don't share it.

I have heard it said a lot of EV heads speak about their electric cars like it's a religious converaion.
I wasn't converted, and it cost me a fortune to find out the truth

[DamoEI]

Electric cars are a con. So many people are completely oblivious to the slavery conditions of those involved in mining the cobalt/lithium required for the batteries, as you said Amy. All the marketing that's done for these things worldwide by the governments, and not once have I heard them address the slavery issues. Even looking at things environmentally, they really aren't that green once you include the whole mining procedures - the global logistics of moving all the cobalt/lithium from the source, etc. It's madness. Yet they're billed as being the saviour of the planet for cars? Where's all the energy going to come from to run them all if enough of the population adopts them? Wind and solar won't cut it! Back to fossil fuel plants? Isn't the whole thing about reducing the need for fossil fuels?? That only leaves nuclear as an option, which I don't think will happen, not in Ireland anyway.

Hydrogen seems much more promising I think. They're testing it on aircraft and trucks, why the heck not go full scale with cars?? Yet you don't hear as much about it as electric cars. I wonder why?? I think that Shell in California recently shutdown it's Hydrogen stations, though i could not find an answer as to why. Much like every other issue in the world, there are those meddling in it all from the shadows.....

Money money money. Remember, that's what it's ALWAYS about.

100% agree!
People should be demanding to know why hydrogen is not being pursued aggressively when it is the stand-out "green" technology. But, as the man said, follow the money...