Should Victoria’s Secret Fashion show be more inclusive? Yes Please!

[Meursault]

A great quote by freud was "that the only person you should compare yourself to is you in the past."

How many teenage adolescent girls look at VS models and wish they were like them.

A lot of them grow out of it. But some of them dont.

[Meursault]

Sounds like a DailyMail headline but I must have missed that episode.

Do you have a link?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbi...R-workout.html

[FranknStein]

A great quote by freud was "that the only person you should compare yourself to is you in the past."

Dear God ,did this Freud character have no empathy.
Once I was young and fit.
Now I am old and fat.
And a Victoria's Secret model will never give me a second glance.

Thanks Freud.
You've give me a complex.

[Stephanie]

Was reading about two months ago, a Victoria Secret model who did a four hour work out in the gym just to maintain shape. Madness.

The middle road. Too fat is not healthy. But too thin is not either. Look up pictures of Chris froome. he is freakishly thin. I suppose he has to be given he is cycling up mont Ventoux every week. But being too thin is about as attractive as being obsese. I would prefer to have a bit of a belly than be as thin as chris froome. Look at his arms for christs sake.

Personally i think VS is a terrible influence on adolescents. And they should include heavier models.

When home I do that for fun .

I do not understand.

What is the ‘Madness’ about that ??

Athletes : how many hours a day / per week do They train to keep in form ??

Being a Model is a Job with specific requirements .

For a doctor , there’s continued education and credits and nr of hrs one must maintain

to keep license current .

Firefighters , policemen (/women) Must attend gym to maintain weight , agility , and

general physical fitness as a condition of their Job . Where’s the “Madness” ??

I do not understand x





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[RickyBobby]

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Firefighters , policemen (/women) Must attend gym to maintain weight , agility ,


pffff, You'd think that anyway.







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[David Feckem]

I am much healthier at 50-55kg than at 65 !

Don’t know about other good looking slim healthy looking types , can only speak for myself xx

Look much tastier when rounder though lol xx

That's true. Back when the VS brand started the models were curvier than their current models and the "Angels" were deemed too big for regular fashion catwalks. Models like Tyra Banks, Laeticia Casta, even younger Gisele Bunchen Adriana Lima and Heidi Klum had more curves when they started for VS than they did later.

I think that was what made the brand so fresh and exciting. The models jiggled when they strutted down the catwalk in lingerie, or on tv in an advert. Somewhere along the way it changed and now they look like just another fashion show. There's more hype, but less sex appeal about it now.

As I said I was more peeved by the whole plus sized/transgender models cannot sell a fantasy. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and someone cannot imply something like this without expecting backlash.

I grew up having the idea beaten in my head that if I am not a certain dress size I won’t be able to have a boyfriend/date/get married.

As a teenager that gave me a lot of complexes regarding my self esteem, how I saw myself in the eyes of others.

I used to depreciate myself because I wasn’t like my friends were.

To be honest, even if sometimes this job has its downsides it has taught me to have a lot more confidence in who I am as a person.

Cool post. Very honest and nice to know sex work has helped you appreciate how sexy you are.

[AyannaMelek]

I don’t think that they do that workout every single day. But fair play to who does that daily.

[Stephanie]

Try trekking Himalayas six hrs every day for 10 weeks !

It’s a beaut lol

[Lara Mills]

https://www.dailydot.com/irl/trans-y...torias-secret/

I was browsing the news section and this really went viral. The fact that Victoria’s Secret Fashion Show doesn’t have any transgender or plus sized models, because apparently is doesn’t help sell the ‘fantasy’. But why does that fantasy have to be in a certain standard? Beauty comes in all shapes, genders and sizes. And Nikita Dragun, boy she really sold my fantasy! Absolutely gorgeous!!! What are your thoughts on that? Should VS keep on selling the same fantasy or should they start changing their ideas on what beauty is actually about?

A lot of it depends on their view of what the 'fantasy' is. For Victoria's Secret, they are selling a very specific 'fantasy' to their customers, which doesn't include transgender or plus-sized models. I don't agree with that at all, but if that is what Victoria's Secret wants to stick with then so be it.

The problem is that they've shot themselves in the foot by not being inclusive and by taking such a harsh stand on it. It has given other businesses the opportunity to thrive by including plus-sized and transgender models, so they can go "our 'fantasy' includes everyone". VS have alienated a lot of their customers. This isn't going to end well for them.

I saw Nikita's video response to VS. I'm absolutely in awe of her. She's so stunning!

[Petros]

In society we are coming to reverse discrimination where the beautiful and the healthy weight

and the non-gay and non-offended have to apologize for looking healthy and not having Issues .

As I said in my Banned Song thread — aren’t we getting a bit overboard with all the pc

to the detriment of a healthy entity ?

By ALL means Inclusion ! YES , but don’t shove it down my throat !!

I totally agree Stephanie - as you say, inclusion is good and proper but if there is a genuine market for something then the manufacturers and retailers will be the first to jump onto it. I don't think forcing something to be included is a good idea - who is that going to help?

Recently I have seen a number of ads on TV advertising lingerie for plus sized ladies by companies who specialise in this market - will people be calling on these companies to include size one ladies in their range?