Bill to criminalise clients will be published tomorrow

[dan8808]

what would you say if a guard did stop you?
do they have any right to question you

[f1 away]

It has to go to the Shannon house first (gov) 5/8/month
Soliciting in public or sex work in brothels or escort is Decriminalise
It is a criminalise offences for clients to pay for sex
So if escort irl would make us the clients as escort we
Would be Decriminalise as well as the ladys
Where the law then

[Wakka Wakka]

It can take around six months for a Bill to become a Law and there's always the possibility that the forthcoming election might delay it even further. Delay but not stop, looking at the effective media management of Ruhama and their supporters and the way that the voices of women like Laura Lee have been completely ignored I don't expect that even if the Bill is delayed until the new Dail that it will make any difference, no matter who gets in. Unless the new law is knocked down on the grounds of human rights abuses at the level of a Supreme Court, or even European Court, it's something we'll have to live with.

I do believe it is a bad law that will make the lives of some women more vulnerable, despite what it's supposed to do. I fully expect a few cases against some unlucky men when the law is enacted but the pressures on Gardai resources could result in only token efforts as time goes on and much will remain as it is.

I'll certainly have a read of the Bill when it's published tomorrow to try to get some of the detail and avoid speculation over punishments etc, and advise anyone else who can to do the same.

For myself I have neither wife nor girlfriend so I'll probably continue as I always have. I've always been low volume in who I see and tend to see the same ladies again and again so expect my overall risk levels to be low. When I do decide to visit someone for the first time it tends to be someone with a presence, either on here or elsewhere online probably more than just relying on number of reviews, and I've never had a problem with someone not turning out to be who they say they are. Yes the new law will probably eliminate any last minute calls to see someone because the lady I wanted to see was unavailable, or was just feeling horny, but by and large I intend to continue as I have been doing and enjoy myself for as long as I can

Best wishes to the ladies, despite anything myself or other clients might say or think about our concerns they're the ones who have been hung out to dry by this sham of a law supposedly designed to help them

[tony1]

Amnesty Vote for Sex Work Decriminalisation .Frances Fitzgerald take no notice.

[f1 away]

That what in the new law sex Decriminalise
Clients buy sex is a offence

Amnesty Vote for Sex Work Decriminalisation .Frances Fitzgerald take no notice.

[kyla]

Now is the time to compile a list of favs. I have no issue with this law so long as I know the girl is Kosher. I will continue to visit Kyla, Cheryl, Vanessa, etc. no prob. Its the new girls that will suffer most. The known indies will have it good...

best choice baby :d creme de la creme

[Davidontour]

Fitzgerald said it herself last year -- ''this is about sending a message that it isn't acceptable to buy girls.'' And there you have the stupidity of this legislation in one handy sentence. Nothing to do with trafficking, just plain old disapproval of sex work.

And that's why this legislation has been rejected by Westminster, Scotland, Denmark, New Zealand and Switzerland, all in the last year. It's why the USA model has been a miserable failure and why the Swedish model has failed to eliminate or even provably reduce sex workers, trafficking or 'demand'. Because it's all about disapproval, public shaming and extra funding for NGOs who do sweet fuck all to help anyone but themselves.

Strangely, everywhere this law has been introduced, it's been claimed that sex workers would be decriminalised, yet they weren't criminalised in the first place, and the aspects of SW that were, aren't being changed. So the government is blatantly lying to facilitate the introduction of a bill they know full well won't work.

97% of the UK rejected client criminalisation. 71% of respondents to two recent Irish surveys opposed criminalisation, 98% of NI sex workers said they didn't want it and most damningly of all, Amnesty carried out two years of research and consultation and voted strongly in favour of decriminalisation. Yet somehow the Irish govt, guided by the Magdalene orders and a bunch of 'evidence' that could be ripped to shreds in court in minutes, know better. If there's a worse indictment of how small minded, gullible and spineless both the Dail and Stormont are (with a few noteworthy exceptions) I'd like to see it. Pathetic.

As for the question ''will it work?'' no of course it won't. Iran has the death penalty for sex work, yet it still goes on. The US has been draconian on the issue for over a century, with no success. Some unfortunate buyers will be apprehended and publicly shamed. There may be some suicides. Sex workers will be less safe and some will be hounded out of their homes. There may be law enforcement abuses. NGOs will be given fat cheques to be as comprehensively useless as they are already. There will be court challenges. Millions will be wasted. And adults will continue to have sex, whether or not little bits of paper are involved. Welcome to Ireland.

[The Libertarian]

No it was rejected as foolish and over the top & will not be part of the foolish new law regarding visiting escorts.



Agreed who in there right mind would continue punting if you could be placed on a list with the pedos and rapist scum. But as I said it was rejected.

And don't forget the JOC absolute nutter recommendation (ala RUHAMA's proposal) to legally equate anybody - punter/sex worker/ curious teenager who downloads an escort related site such as EI with a child rapist downloading scenes of children being abused and raped! This it seems will not come to pass either!
I think in the unofficial internecine TORLER battle the ultimate Bill will have more of an ICI feel to it than Ruhama feel! However it may well be more severe than The Swedish version and will be more severe and more enforced than the Northern Irish one!

[The Libertarian]

Fitzgerald said it herself last year -- ''this is about sending a message that it isn't acceptable to buy girls.'' And there you have the stupidity of this legislation in one handy sentence. Nothing to do with trafficking, just plain old disapproval of sex work.

And that's why this legislation has been rejected by Westminster, Scotland, Denmark, New Zealand and Switzerland, all in the last year. It's why the USA model has been a miserable failure and why the Swedish model has failed to eliminate or even provably reduce sex workers, trafficking or 'demand'. Because it's all about disapproval, public shaming and extra funding for NGOs who do sweet fuck all to help anyone but themselves.

Strangely, everywhere this law has been introduced, it's been claimed that sex workers would be decriminalised, yet they weren't criminalised in the first place, and the aspects of SW that were, aren't being changed. So the government is blatantly lying to facilitate the introduction of a bill they know full well won't work.

97% of the UK rejected client criminalisation. 71% of respondents to two recent Irish surveys opposed criminalisation, 98% of NI sex workers said they didn't want it and most damningly of all, Amnesty carried out two years of research and consultation and voted strongly in favour of decriminalisation. Yet somehow the Irish govt, guided by the Magdalene orders and a bunch of 'evidence' that could be ripped to shreds in court in minutes, know better. If there's a worse indictment of how small minded, gullible and spineless both the Dail and Stormont are (with a few noteworthy exceptions) I'd like to see it. Pathetic.

As for the question ''will it work?'' no of course it won't. Iran has the death penalty for sex work, yet it still goes on. The US has been draconian on the issue for over a century, with no success. Some unfortunate buyers will be apprehended and publicly shamed. There may be some suicides. Sex workers will be less safe and some will be hounded out of their homes. There may be law enforcement abuses. NGOs will be given fat cheques to be as comprehensively useless as they are already. There will be court challenges. Millions will be wasted. And adults will continue to have sex, whether or not little bits of paper are involved. Welcome to Ireland.

We may very well get the most insane anti sex worker/anti sew work law outside of coutries that actively execute sex workers!

[Chez]

Fitzgerald said it herself last year -- ''this is about sending a message that it isn't acceptable to buy girls.'' And there you have the stupidity of this legislation in one handy sentence. Nothing to do with trafficking, just plain old disapproval of sex work.

And that's why this legislation has been rejected by Westminster, Scotland, Denmark, New Zealand and Switzerland, all in the last year. It's why the USA model has been a miserable failure and why the Swedish model has failed to eliminate or even provably reduce sex workers, trafficking or 'demand'. Because it's all about disapproval, public shaming and extra funding for NGOs who do sweet fuck all to help anyone but themselves.

Strangely, everywhere this law has been introduced, it's been claimed that sex workers would be decriminalised, yet they weren't criminalised in the first place, and the aspects of SW that were, aren't being changed. So the government is blatantly lying to facilitate the introduction of a bill they know full well won't work.

97% of the UK rejected client criminalisation. 71% of respondents to two recent Irish surveys opposed criminalisation, 98% of NI sex workers said they didn't want it and most damningly of all, Amnesty carried out two years of research and consultation and voted strongly in favour of decriminalisation. Yet somehow the Irish govt, guided by the Magdalene orders and a bunch of 'evidence' that could be ripped to shreds in court in minutes, know better. If there's a worse indictment of how small minded, gullible and spineless both the Dail and Stormont are (with a few noteworthy exceptions) I'd like to see it. Pathetic.

As for the question ''will it work?'' no of course it won't. Iran has the death penalty for sex work, yet it still goes on. The US has been draconian on the issue for over a century, with no success. Some unfortunate buyers will be apprehended and publicly shamed. There may be some suicides. Sex workers will be less safe and some will be hounded out of their homes. There may be law enforcement abuses. NGOs will be given fat cheques to be as comprehensively useless as they are already. There will be court challenges. Millions will be wasted. And adults will continue to have sex, whether or not little bits of paper are involved. Welcome to Ireland.

I can actually see Scotland introducing a similar Bill of their own later on, I dont trust that Nicola Sturgeon