Sim card

[casman]

This country is going to the dogs,won't be able to take to take a shite next without somebody knowing

[Zealot7]

And remember that at the moment the law will only be coming into effect in the North, there is no date for the South.

Sandy x

The lack of a date in practice probably means it can likely be forgotten about for a long while, maybe even several years.

One thing everyone needs to remember is that the whole government is wrought with inefficiency and incompetence. They're invariably extremely slow to do anything, and extremely often make a mess of things.

as regards this 'problem' I have news for you, its not the sim thats tied to your identity its the phone, otherwise why do you think tescos can get away with selling anonymous sims. every single phone just like every single sim has a unique ID number

Well the network provider can indeed track your phone based on location, and also listen in to your calls if they so chose to do so. Any communication service provider will be able to do the same thing since they provide the infrastructure.

BUT... for them to actually do so and allow 3rd parties access to this kind of information is like throwing up all over their confidentiality agreement with their customers.

A big question should some sort of law like this come in is who's going to store the identity database? The government or the phone company? Can the authorities access it at a whim without any prior justification if they like? If it's the phone company, I would imagine any phone network provider would fight turning over the identity of their customers on a whim just like the Internet Service Providers have done so in the internet downloading related copyright cases of the past, because of that confidentiality agreement. There is no guarantee though.

Even in the event of a doomsday scenario where we get 1984-style surveillance of calls made between mobile phones here, there are always alternatives (don't you just love technology?) in the form of web-based VOIP services that are going to be very legally messy and problematic to get actual identities of people associated with them and also to eavesdrop in on them. Skype, WeChat, and Viber come to mind.

[The Libertarian]

1984 style surveillance of mobile phones by the redneck state, yet another item to add to my list as set out in -

https://www.escort-ireland.com/board...The-day!/page3

[xagerate]

This country is going to the dogs,won't be able to take to take a shite next without somebody knowing

Rumour has it you went at 10pm and forgot to flush.
(Everyones been talkin about you )

[justfrank44]

Rumour has it you went at 10pm and forgot to flush.
(Everyones been talkin about you )

Nah, he flushed, it's just one hell of a floater.

[bootboy]

This country is going to the dogs,won't be able to take to take a shite next without somebody knowing

The state seem to want to interfere in everything now.

[Alex.xx]

When you use a network for any phone,they can identify that phone and where it was used.

Always, I bet a part of the licence agreement between gov and mobile phone network operator is to store ALL info and provide it to officials on request under some circumstances.

i think he means that every phone has an ip address or equivalent

IP is changing too often to be the main thing they could be after, but can be used indeed to confirm other info or pinpoint your location based on Internet network data. IMEI is what is unique for a mobile phone, however there are ways to change it too, not entirely legal though. MAC address is bigger devil. You can spoof it too, though. Not sure if it's worth the hassle.

The lack of a date in practice probably means it can likely be forgotten about for a long while, maybe even several years.

One thing everyone needs to remember is that the whole government is wrought with inefficiency and incompetence. They're invariably extremely slow to do anything, and extremely often make a mess of things.



Well the network provider can indeed track your phone based on location, and also listen in to your calls if they so chose to do so. Any communication service provider will be able to do the same thing since they provide the infrastructure.

BUT... for them to actually do so and allow 3rd parties access to this kind of information is like throwing up all over their confidentiality agreement with their customers.

A big question should some sort of law like this come in is who's going to store the identity database? The government or the phone company? Can the authorities access it at a whim without any prior justification if they like? If it's the phone company, I would imagine any phone network provider would fight turning over the identity of their customers on a whim just like the Internet Service Providers have done so in the internet downloading related copyright cases of the past, because of that confidentiality agreement. There is no guarantee though.

Even in the event of a doomsday scenario where we get 1984-style surveillance of calls made between mobile phones here, there are always alternatives (don't you just love technology?) in the form of web-based VOIP services that are going to be very legally messy and problematic to get actual identities of people associated with them and also to eavesdrop in on them. Skype, WeChat, and Viber come to mind.

Eavesdrop is always possible given sufficient amount of time, I believe. Find app which doesn't store your communication on their server. The problem is to use that way harvested info in the court.

On the top of that you have the GSM cells, plus most of ppl has GPS on in their phones all the time. To 5m accuracy.

Maybe I am paranoid, but to cut it short: stop texting. Text stays somewhere there forever. Calls are easier to get lost in the battle, and a record only of a call made means nothing really.

Apologize if I was to brief here. But this is more or less what it is in regards to mobiles. Technology, eh? Anyone can use TOR network for mobile too, doesn't help much though if you text using GSM network as if in basic SMS service.

Correct me if I am wrong somewhere in what I said above. Happy to learn always.

[Alex.xx]

1984 style surveillance of mobile phones by the redneck state, yet another item to add to my list as set out in -

https://www.escort-ireland.com/board...The-day!/page3

Your reasons posted there and few more I could add, are making me feel in Ireland like I did feel in Poland, hence me leaving my Vaterland. Nothing wrong with ordinary ppl, don't get me wrong, but that constant breath of government bodies and legal regulations 1984-like, make myself slightly uncomfortable indeed. Probably the same reasons make most living in IRE Poles feel nearly like home.

[Sexy Sandy 69]

Guys do you not think that maybe the drug dealers & the criminals have more to worry about using mobile phones than some guy booking an appointment with an escort?

Sandy x

[Zealot7]

Always, I bet a part of the licence agreement between gov and mobile phone network operator is to store ALL info and provide it to officials on request under some circumstances.


IP is changing too often to be the main thing they could be after, but can be used indeed to confirm other info or pinpoint your location based on Internet network data. IMEI is what is unique for a mobile phone, however there are ways to change it too, not entirely legal though. MAC address is bigger devil. You can spoof it too, though. Not sure if it's worth the hassle.



Eavesdrop is always possible given sufficient amount of time, I believe. Find app which doesn't store your communication on their server. The problem is to use that way harvested info in the court.

On the top of that you have the GSM cells, plus most of ppl has GPS on in their phones all the time. To 5m accuracy.

Maybe I am paranoid, but to cut it short: stop texting. Text stays somewhere there forever. Calls are easier to get lost in the battle, and a record only of a call made means nothing really.

Apologize if I was to brief here. But this is more or less what it is in regards to mobiles. Technology, eh? Anyone can use TOR network for mobile too, doesn't help much though if you text using GSM network as if in basic SMS service.

Correct me if I am wrong somewhere in what I said above. Happy to learn always.

Phones are definitely more vulnerable to the authorities listening in and getting your identity from a number. A few laws later shoehorned through the parliament and it can be done. But with how slow they are to do anything, that'll take ages. It's not something to worry about... yet anyway.

On the other hand, the internet based services would be much too difficult for the authorities to go after.

If you take a service like skype as an example, yes there's information stored on a server somewhere about you, but it shouldn't be your identity if you're prudent enough not to use your real name or upload an actual photo of yourself there.

The only thing then that can really be gotten from that information that can lead back to your identity is your IP address. Assuming they can get the IP address (they can't because the servers are hosted in a different country) things become very messy for the authorities now, they have to legally force your internet service provider to cough up your details such as name and address etc.

In the copyright related struggle of the Movie Studios and Record labels Vs Internet Downloading, they've tried this all over the world but they've had little success in doing so thus far. The usage of Tor or another proxy then completely gets around this as the IP they'll get is Tor's not yours.

And even in the event that the authorities here went after services like skype with the purpose of busting or harassing escorts and their clients, there's a whole massive load of legal framework that would have to be drawn up and passed by the government. Not to mention international agreements would be have to signed up since the servers for all these web based services are not hosted here in Ireland.

If they started now, they might get to it in 10 years time. In short, forget about it, there are several elections between now and then, and more than likely an economic disaster much worse than 2008 again too.