mmm i love off topic thats when the quick irish humour happens ,sharp biting and at times genius ..i would be bored to death with a forensic disscussion that has been answered after the first post ,isnt that why we go off topic ,because the thread has been answered ,and then we put our spin on it ,i thought it was the americans who couldnt understand our slagging sense of humour ...it would be pretty poor if we lost that ironic wit ourselves