Cim danger?

[Stephanie]

I quoted the sources in the bibliography. A HEP B vaccine covers you against Hep B, HPV vaccine against warts. Nothing more. My post clarified the dangers of Oral Sex, your said that you offered CIM and OWO with ''virtually no risk''. Somewhat different. There is no right or wrong, but that is somewhat blurring the facts, no?

''So, you gotta weigh and ponder and contemplate what level of risk you are comfortable with. As I had run down the list above,

I feel very comfortable providing owo, to my great pleasure.. I get regularly tested, and I am vaccinated for every single thing that a

vaccine is available for.. So my chances of catching something incurable are practically nil. I'm ok with that.

If you have doubts or you feel uneasy about it, simply cover up. Or stay home xx''

I am not into fear mongering. I'm into realism. The tragic and alarming increase of STIs would be largely conributable to foolish foolish people barebacking on a Saturday night, after a night of heavy drinking. For that reason alone, if I was a punter I would stay away from escorts who drink heavily or are drug users -- impaired judgement !!! (and lowered immunity etc.)


But lets break things down in a different way, so people who are not versed in the medical arts can also grasp it, incorporating your information into mine :

Bacterial infections :

Chlamydia -- not likely to be transferred by oral
Gonnorhea -- can easily be transmitted by oral
Syphilis -- easily transmitted

Bacterial infections are treated/cured by antibiotics [yes, there are some resistant strains appearing, but still treatable and curable]. Not nice, but won't kill you if you get tested regularly (Syphilis !!!!!), and are treated.

Viral infections :

HPV - causes cervical cancer in women, mouth/throat cancer in men; warts. VACCINE available, everyone should be vaccinated , just like I am ! I feel comfortable with my status.
HEP A, HEP B - easily transmitted, VACCINE available, everyone should be vaccinated -- like I am !! I am not at risk.
Herpes Symplex 1 and 2 -- The majority of the population gets cold sores (I don't ) . Cannot be cured, but nor is it life threatening. Easily treated to prevent a breakout , by common anti viral medications.
HIV -- the big one. Oral transmission is statistically negligible.

Fungal infection :

Yeast infection -- yes, it can be transmitted, but it is simply an imbalance of the normal flora in a woman's vagina. It is commonly caused by use of antibiotics (to treat another infection) . For some women it is quite common. It is called thrush ? (I think. We don't use that term) . It's itchy, treated with 1 dose of over the counter (no prescription needed) medication. It is not an STI.



Is Oral sex risky ? Of course it is !! The safest place for us is in our bed [alone], yet we leave the house each day. You could get hit by a car !! So before crossing a road, look in both directions, assess your risk in crossing the road, and proceed accordingly.

In my just-over-a-year career as a provider, I did get a sore throat on three separate occasions. Did I get it from owo, or kissing ? Was it a cold or flu ? It certainly wasn't STI, because I do get checked, and I haven't caught anything yet

I am not promoting irresponsible behavior. Quite the opposite. Ladies, if you do not like offering owo, then you shouldn't . Simple.

*DISCLAIMER : I am working, hence my sporadic posting I don't have the time to read the whole thread, posting only between appointments x please forgive me xx

[samlad]

All arguing aside, I did create a poll the other day about clients requesting OWO (not CIM may I add). It seems that although we are aware of the health risks involved in uncovered oral sex, out of 93 posters (to date) most clients would be happy to see an escort that doesn't prefer OWO, but would prefer it if they did offer it. The next most voted was that a client would ONLY see an escort that would provide this service:



Only 6 out of 93 people are concerned about catching something from OWO, which goes to show that despite the statistics surrounding orally contracted STD's, people are still making the conscious decision to seek escorts providing this service.

[EnglishAlex]

I am not into fear mongering. I'm into realism. The tragic and alarming increase of STIs would be largely conributable to foolish foolish people barebacking on a Saturday night, after a night of heavy drinking. For that reason alone, if I was a punter I would stay away from escorts who drink heavily or are drug users -- impaired judgement !!! (and lowered immunity etc.)

Realism? Really? I have to disagree. Any sex worker who offer CIM and says her chances of contracting something are practically nil is not realistic at all.

Where did you find the fact about std's being transmitted via bareback on a saturday night? Posted on this thread by several people are facts. Not guesswork.

You should have respect for the knowledge of people who have more experience than you. We've even had a gent who works in a std clinic say it's dangerous. But you know better? No. You do not.

It's not fact either that people who drink/take drugs have unprotected unsafe sex. I haven't had sex without a condom for years and I thoroughly enjoy getting drunk now and again. I might have a flirt, dance like a mad woman and enjoy the craic but that's where it ends. Much like other ladies I know personally who do the same job.

But lets break things down in a different way, so people who are not versed in the medical arts can also grasp it, incorporating your information into mine :

Bacterial infections :

Chlamydia -- not likely to be transferred by oral
Gonnorhea -- can easily be transmitted by oral
Syphilis -- easily transmitted

Bacterial infections are treated/cured by antibiotics [yes, there are some resistant strains appearing, but still treatable and curable]. Not nice, but won't kill you if you get tested regularly (Syphilis !!!!!), and are treated.

Viral infections :

HPV - causes cervical cancer in women, mouth/throat cancer in men; warts. VACCINE available, everyone should be vaccinated , just like I am ! I feel comfortable with my status.
HEP A, HEP B - easily transmitted, VACCINE available, everyone should be vaccinated -- like I am !! I am not at risk.
Herpes Symplex 1 and 2 -- The majority of the population gets cold sores (I don't ) . Cannot be cured, but nor is it life threatening. Easily treated to prevent a breakout , by common anti viral medications.
HIV -- the big one. Oral transmission is statistically negligible.

Fungal infection :

Yeast infection -- yes, it can be transmitted, but it is simply an imbalance of the normal flora in a woman's vagina. It is commonly caused by use of antibiotics (to treat another infection) . For some women it is quite common. It is called thrush ? (I think. We don't use that term) . It's itchy, treated with 1 dose of over the counter (no prescription needed) medication. It is not an STI.

I'm in no means versed in any medical art, but I am open to learning from professionals. It is part of my role as a Sex Worker to be so. Links have been provided by posters on this thread for clients to go and find out for themselves. Whether they choose to do so or not is besides the point.

Also, incorporating your info into others? Your previous posts have been completely misleading and very irresponsible imo.

Stop saying things are easily treated! For goodness sake, I cannot believe how idiotic your comments are. Read RodeoMans post and come back to me on the 'everything is so fucking easy to treat it doesn't matter if you end up with a full house, it'll be fine and dandy' crap.

Is Oral sex risky ? Of course it is !! The safest place for us is in our bed [alone], yet we leave the house each day. You could get hit by a car !! So before crossing a road, look in both directions, assess your risk in crossing the road, and proceed accordingly.

Some people are playing with traffic though. There's a game called chicken, you see if you can cross the road between cars which are going rather fast. Much like you with CIM. I prefer to walk to the traffic lights

In my just-over-a-year career as a provider, I did get a sore throat on three separate occasions. Did I get it from owo, or kissing ? Was it a cold or flu ? It certainly wasn't STI, because I do get checked, and I haven't caught anything yet

I hope you don't catch anything. I hope nobody here does. Not just because I'm nice like that but because Ireland is a small place and we're all at risk from others irresponsible behaviour.

I am not promoting irresponsible behavior. Quite the opposite. Ladies, if you do not like offering owo, then you shouldn't . Simple.

Imo you are. By offering CIM you are not only promoting, but encouraging said irresponsible behaviour.

*DISCLAIMER : I am working, hence my sporadic posting I don't have the time to read the whole thread, posting only between appointments x please forgive me xx

So until you have time to read what others have spend time and effort posting, you might want to drop the condescending attitude you have no right to hold, all things (owo cim) considered.

[Lucy Chambers]

I am not into fear mongering. I'm into realism. The tragic and alarming increase of STIs would be largely conributable to foolish foolish people barebacking on a Saturday night, after a night of heavy drinking. For that reason alone, if I was a punter I would stay away from escorts who drink heavily or are drug users -- impaired judgement !!! (and lowered immunity etc.)


But lets break things down in a different way, so people who are not versed in the medical arts can also grasp it, incorporating your information into mine :

Bacterial infections :

Chlamydia -- not likely to be transferred by oral
Gonnorhea -- can easily be transmitted by oral
Syphilis -- easily transmitted

Bacterial infections are treated/cured by antibiotics [yes, there are some resistant strains appearing, but still treatable and curable]. Not nice, but won't kill you if you get tested regularly (Syphilis !!!!!), and are treated.

Viral infections :

HPV - causes cervical cancer in women, mouth/throat cancer in men; warts. VACCINE available, everyone should be vaccinated , just like I am ! I feel comfortable with my status.
HEP A, HEP B - easily transmitted, VACCINE available, everyone should be vaccinated -- like I am !! I am not at risk.
Herpes Symplex 1 and 2 -- The majority of the population gets cold sores (I don't ) . Cannot be cured, but nor is it life threatening. Easily treated to prevent a breakout , by common anti viral medications.
HIV -- the big one. Oral transmission is statistically negligible.

Fungal infection :

Yeast infection -- yes, it can be transmitted, but it is simply an imbalance of the normal flora in a woman's vagina. It is commonly caused by use of antibiotics (to treat another infection) . For some women it is quite common. It is called thrush ? (I think. We don't use that term) . It's itchy, treated with 1 dose of over the counter (no prescription needed) medication. It is not an STI.



Is Oral sex risky ? Of course it is !! The safest place for us is in our bed [alone], yet we leave the house each day. You could get hit by a car !! So before crossing a road, look in both directions, assess your risk in crossing the road, and proceed accordingly.

In my just-over-a-year career as a provider, I did get a sore throat on three separate occasions. Did I get it from owo, or kissing ? Was it a cold or flu ? It certainly wasn't STI, because I do get checked, and I haven't caught anything yet

I am not promoting irresponsible behavior. Quite the opposite. Ladies, if you do not like offering owo, then you shouldn't . Simple.

*DISCLAIMER : I am working, hence my sporadic posting I don't have the time to read the whole thread, posting only between appointments x please forgive me xx

Lol, is that why you still manage time to thank posts straight after they were made?

Lets be blunt, you are seeking to make it look as though the services you offer are risk free. (Or almost) They arent, and so you are now trying to blind people to them. You have been working for JUST one year (according to you) up to now, you just got lucky. Please dont try and negate the advice of doctors and medical professionals, it just makes you look insane. I offered those services, I didnt ever try and convince myself or others on a board or in person that it was without risk.

And to close, yes, you could get run over by a car. But you wouldnt run down a road in heavy traffic while inviting others to join you, unless you were dim, selfish or on a suicide mission. In addition, you are wrong. The biggest rise in STD's has been in those in their forties. Not drug users, not teenagers.

http://www.cdc.gov/std/health-disparities/age.htm

[Curvaceous Kate]

What happened to hate the post, not the poster? People have been writing their opinions, some based on facts, some based on feelings and it is up to the readers to decide where they stand on it, but there is no need to make singular accusations. This site offers OWO and CIM as options for services and as such, no one offering it should be condemned for it or accused of promoting it. When the site decides it is irresponsible and to high a risk, then members may reconsider their stance, but until then ladies will always offer it and clients will always ask for it.

At least we all have informed choice.

[samlad]

I think I'm just going to get the popcorn in...

[anon361]

All arguing aside, I did create a poll the other day about clients requesting OWO (not CIM may I add). It seems that although we are aware of the health risks involved in uncovered oral sex, out of 93 posters (to date) most clients would be happy to see an escort that doesn't prefer OWO, but would prefer it if they did offer it. The next most voted was that a client would ONLY see an escort that would provide this service:



Only 6 out of 93 people are concerned about catching something from OWO, which goes to show that despite the statistics surrounding orally contracted STD's, people are still making the conscious decision to seek escorts providing this service.

I have to say some of the results may not be as clear cut, while I voted I don't mind either way whether she does or doesn't provide OWO it is only with very few I will actually accept it. Maybe I'm being naive but if I suspect the lady is agency I will ask for a cover, if I am happy she is Independent I may be inclined to allow it but not always as I have it in my head they are more inclined to be health conscious and responsible.

[Lucy Chambers]

What happened to hate the post, not the poster? People have been writing their opinions, some based on facts, some based on feelings and it is up to the readers to decide where they stand on it, but there is no need to make singular accusations. This site offers OWO and CIM as options for services and as such, no one offering it should be condemned for it or accused of promoting it. When the site decides it is irresponsible and to high a risk, then members may reconsider their stance, but until then ladies will always offer it and clients will always ask for it.

At least we all have informed choice.

But no one is being accused of promoting it. People are being accused of fudging facts to suit their own selfish needs.

[samlad]

I have to say some of the results may not be as clear cut, while I voted I don't mind either way whether she does or doesn't provide OWO it is only with very few I will actually accept it. Maybe I'm being naive but if I suspect the lady is agency I will ask for a cover, if I am happy she is Independent I may be inclined to allow it but not always as I have it in my head they are more inclined to be health conscious and responsible.

You are going on the assumption that agency escorts are more likely to be carrying an STD than an independent there. Fair enough, but don't be blinkered into thinking that you can't catch anything from independents either. If a client has been with one escort and then another, chances are that viruses can still be passed on.

[benin]

I think I'm just going to get the popcorn in...

ill get the crisps...

benny pulls up a comfy chair...