!!!URGENT WARNING from Michelle Mulherin TD

[Doozer]

Doozer the way you're going you'll be saying having a wank is abortion ffs.

Why have it killed? A small group of cells that have the capacity to ruin your life we're talking about, not a healthy living baby. Instead of being contrary, be logical. It brings us back to 'what is your defiition of life'? The circle continues. Maybe this is why abortion is still not legal, people have these strong views having been brain washed by th church or just very strict people who haven't actually experienced much life but see fit to judge everybody else on theirs. Fucking laughable really.

The year is 2012 and there's no reason at all why a woman should be forced to go through something that she doesn't want to. Pregnancy can be dreadful for some women, life threatening and detrimental to their mental health if the baby they're carrying is unwanted. To then expect that poor vulnerable woman to hand over the baby after all that is too much.

You know what, fuck it. Bring back the Magdeline Laundries. Because that was the correct way of dealing with this issue. No? The church has failed this country over and over again but the attitude of many people doesn't reflect that. Brain washed doesn't even begin to cover it.

I was in Belfast recently and was stopped by people who asked me to sign a petition against abortion. They got a piece of my mind. I was shocked to see girls in their late teens/early 20's standing there supporting this ridiculous load of rubbish. Take away a womans right to do what she likes with her body? Why do you think that's acceptable? I do not.

What would you suggest Doozer, if an escort found out she was pregnant? Condoms aren't 100% so it's a possibility. Imagine, trying to guess who's the father. Pick a card, any card

First off the church has nothing to do with mY ideals here .

I think too answered your own question there alex it has the capacity or potential to ruin your.life therefore you acknowledge that its not.just a bunch of cells but the start of a life

[EnglishAlex]

First off the church has nothing to do with mY ideals here .

I think too answered your own question there alex it has the capacity or potential to ruin your.life therefore you acknowledge that its not.just a bunch of cells but the start of a life

Everything has to start somewhere Doozer. If the pregnancy has not gone very far then I don't see a bunch of cells as a baby tbh. It has the capacity to be but until further down the line I don't accept that a small group of cells is a baby and I don't accept that an established life should be forsaken for something which is yet to entirely exist.

I also don't accept that your view isn't coloured by religion. Brain washing is everywhere and people who are brainwashed don't often know it. So this is going to be pretty pointless really, this exchange between you and I.

Open your mind Doozer. Freedom of choice, albeit scary for people who've lived under control for so long, is actually a good thing

[saoirsemac]

Everything has to start somewhere Doozer. If the pregnancy has not gone very far then I don't see a bunch of cells as a baby tbh. It has the capacity to be but until further down the line I don't accept that a small group of cells is a baby and I don't accept that an established life should be forsaken for something which is yet to entirely exist.

I also don't accept that your view isn't coloured by religion. Brain washing is everywhere and people who are brainwashed don't often know it. So this is going to be pretty pointless really, this exchange between you and I.

Open your mind Doozer. Freedom of choice, albeit scary for people who've lived under control for so long, is actually a good thing

u rock... pm me ur favourite biscuit u deserve a treat

great post

[Doozer]

Everything has to start somewhere Doozer. If the pregnancy has not gone very far then I don't see a bunch of cells as a baby tbh. It has the capacity to be but until further down the line I don't accept that a small group of cells is a baby and I don't accept that an established life should be forsaken for something which is yet to entirely exist.

I also don't accept that your view isn't coloured by religion. Brain washing is everywhere and people who are brainwashed don't often know it. So this is going to be pretty pointless really, this exchange between you and I.

Open your mind Doozer. Freedom of choice, albeit scary for people who've lived under control for so long, is actually a good thing

No my choice isnt coloured by religion.
What is.the.cut off point as to when the cells become.embryos or fetuses or when does life.begin according to you alex . Just
Because you don't accept an idea doesn't make it ant less real

[Curvaceous Kate]

Just a thought that crossed my mind while I was reading the replies. Did you know that one in every five pregnancies end up as a miscarriage and most miscarriages happen in the first 3 months? This is why we are advised not to tell anyone in the first trimester that we are pregnant. Sometimes a miscarriage is because there is something wrong with the baby and sometimes it is because there is something wrong with the Mum, but either way the pregnancy is terminated.

When this happens it is gut-wrenching and some ladies never recover from the pain and most people can empathise with that pain and offer support. Yet, when someone has to go through the heart ache of deciding on a termination, it is usually hush, hush and you're lucky if anyone offers you a kind word let alone support.

Having an abortion is not easy mentally or physically and it is sickening that so many women have to consider it as an option, because some man has decided that contraception is wong. The Countries that have embraced it have far less abortion or need for it. Can you imagine how it would be in China if they did not use contraception?

It seriously makes me angry that men think women make this decision lightly. Yes there will always be some that are flippant with life in general, including their own, but not most, most in their hearts would love to have something to love, something to love them back and need them, but it's not as simple as that and it's not always as easy as just not wanting a child.

Having said all that. I'm not sure that I agree with the time period in which you can have an abortion. I do think it should be done in the first 18 weeks and not after that. Too many babies are surviving now around the 20 week mark and that leaves me cold, because then it must be able to feel pain and I don't like that.

As Roy Castle would have said, 'Educations what you need!', well actually he said 'dedication', but I changed it.

[Doozer]

Just a thought that crossed my mind while I was reading the replies. Did you know that one in every five pregnancies end up as a miscarriage and most miscarriages happen in the first 3 months? This is why we are advised not to tell anyone in the first trimester that we are pregnant. Sometimes a miscarriage is because there is something wrong with the baby and sometimes it is because there is something wrong with the Mum, but either way the pregnancy is terminated.

When this happens it is gut-wrenching and some ladies never recover from the pain and most people can empathise with that pain and offer support. Yet, when someone has to go through the heart ache of deciding on a termination, it is usually hush, hush and you're lucky if anyone offers you a kind word let alone support.

Having an abortion is not easy mentally or physically and it is sickening that so many women have to consider it as an option, because some man has decided that contraception is wong. The Countries that have embraced it have far less abortion or need for it. Can you imagine how it would be in China if they did not use contraception?

It seriously makes me angry that men think women make this decision lightly. Yes there will always be some that are flippant with life in general, including their own, but not most, most in their hearts would love to have something to love, something to love them back and need them, but it's not as simple as that and it's not always as easy as just not wanting a child.

Having said all that. I'm not sure that I agree with the time period in which you can have an abortion. I do think it should be done in the first 18 weeks and not after that. Too many babies are surviving now around the 20 week mark and that leaves me cold, because then it must be able to feel pain and I don't like that.

As Roy Castle would have said, 'Educations what you need!', well actually he said 'dedication', but I changed it.

I'm my defence.of.being a man I did say earlier.that im sure.that decision is never taken lightly

[Lincoln]

I actually can't work out what point she is trying to make in her Dail statement, if you listen close its almost like she is saying since we don't legislate for other sins why should we for abortion???? although I doubt thats the point she's making!!!

And why the non-sequitur remarks about fornication at the end?? We're talking abortion law here!!!

In fairness if they are sincerely held beliefs then I think she entitled (and in her own way brave) to voice them.

Someone should clue her in on scripture though (since she is citing scriptural justification in her comments)

oohhhh...lets take Joshua 6 21 and 11 9-12 for starters, God-commanded genocide against man, woman and child in Jericho (and what was their crime?? They didn't follow Yahweh)

or Ezekiel 23 46-49, slaughtering the sons and daughters of Babylon by stoning for lewdness, etc. etc. etc.

Dsoent really depict The Lord as a respecter of life I am sorry to say....

[Curvaceous Kate]

I'm my defence.of.being a man I did say earlier.that im sure.that decision is never taken lightly

Doozer you're not the man with the power, but they don't let ladies make big decisions within the Catholic faith, so I have to blame a man. If it were politics we were talking about I'd phrase it differently, as there are many silly women making silly decisions there and this is a prime example of one trying to. Do you think she could make a difference?

[saoirsemac]

end of the day ireland is ruined still by the vatican

and the vatican is anti women, we are mer vessels for child birth, abortion goes againist that belief

how any woman can jusitfy no abortion esp in the cases of rape and incest, wud wanna put themselves in the girls shoes

and sadly the biggest anti abortion voices are men, the ones who do not carry the child,

abortion affects men also i wnt deny that, but in most cases the woman is alone, but she will always take the greatest burden!

this is a womans issue i know that sexiest but it is, a woman aborts a baby she gotta deal with it, while most of the time the man walks away, if it gets out a woman had an abortion she gets branded this and that, the man will go un scade again!

[Banjaxed]

I am a man, like the majority of our lower house 143 of 166 TDs. I don't have much experience of life so I refuse, on this issue at least, to dictate what others should do though I retain my own views on the matter and would vote according to them.

I'll never have to experience pregnancy. The majority of people who I've ever spoken to on the issue, both men and women alike, feel that there should be no need for abortion unless the life of the mother is at risk from the pregnancy (including suicide). That was the line which the Supreme Court took in the X case in 1992, and so legally it is possible to obtain an abortion in Ireland however I believe the Medical Council refuses to allow it's members to perform the procedure.

What would you suggest Doozer, if an escort found out she was pregnant? Condoms aren't 100% so it's a possibility. Imagine, trying to guess who's the father. Pick a card, any card

The client with the most money You forget that there should be no such thing as a prostitute, escort or sex worker in these people's minds. It's an interesting dilemma though - it's a topic that comes up regularly in discussion on one night stands and fathers facing up to their responsibilities. Personally I'd stand over it and wouldn't like to see it aborted, even if it could potentially partially ruin my life, things can always be worse, but I suppose I can understand inadvertent fathers who run like f**k from the whole thing.