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    Quote Originally Posted by Westsidex View Post
    So there has being a flood or something in Pakistan and Concern are appealing for aid for it. Thats fair enough but heres the part i dont get.

    What do Pakistan spend on nuclear power and weapons each year? I have no idea but im willing to bet its a lot more than is needed to sort this one out.

    Some charities are completely out of touch with what countries are able to help themselves and what countries can help themselves but dont bother.

    amazing,
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    Aid agencies don't just choose to go to countries that can't help their people in time of need, they also go into countries who don't help their people in times of need............

    They're not political and don't view it that way.......
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    Quote Originally Posted by luther View Post
    Aid agencies don't just choose to go to countries that can't help their people in time of need, they also go into countries who don't help their people in times of need............

    They're not political and don't view it that way.......
    Yeah maybe so but its sick to think that a country that spends money on nuclear weapons actually gets aid from a charity. that aid could go to a country that cannot afford to help their own ppl. I guess considering it all you cant really blame the charity as their only alternative would be not to help them but jesus its sick to think that the Pakistani gov spend enough on nucs to cover this problem.

    its sick,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Westsidex View Post
    Yeah maybe so but its sick to think that a country that spends money on nuclear weapons actually gets aid from a charity. that aid could go to a country that cannot afford to help their own ppl. I guess considering it all you cant really blame the charity as their only alternative would be not to help them but jesus its sick to think that the Pakistani gov spend enough on nucs to cover this problem.

    its sick,
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    It's the way you look at it that annoys you. Don't think of agencies doing this work, or giving this money to the country, think of it as going to the people the country abandoned, forgot about or just plain ignored...........
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    Quote Originally Posted by luther View Post
    Don't think of agencies doing this work, or giving this money to the country, think of it as going to the people the country abandoned, forgot about or just plain ignored...........
    I have to say i with westside on this one . Do we not have people in the same boat (parden the pun)

    http://www.corksimon.ie/ufiles/news0...cut-by-12-.pdf

    Look i feel sorry for what happened to the people of Pakistan but i firm believer in looking after our own first . Many of the people that simon look after might have paid their taxes in their early lives before they have fallen on hard times .Surely they are deserving a bit of help from the state before people that have never contributed to the irish economy . Even this week i was returning my p30 for my employees and i sent it less the cheque . I enclosed a note saying that was donating it to the simon community instead this month . No doubt i will be going to court soon lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by An don View Post
    I have to say i with westside on this one . Do we not have people in the same boat (parden the pun)

    http://www.corksimon.ie/ufiles/news0...cut-by-12-.pdf

    Look i feel sorry for what happened to the people of Pakistan but i firm believer in looking after our own first . Many of the people that simon look after might have paid their taxes in their early lives before they have fallen on hard times .Surely they are deserving a bit of help from the state before people that have never contributed to the irish economy . Even this week i was returning my p30 for my employees and i sent it less the cheque . I enclosed a note saying that was donating it to the simon community instead this month . No doubt i will be going to court soon lol
    Don't get me wrong, I totally agree. Charity should begin at home, and we have at times abandoned out most vulnerable in their times of need. I've done charity work and fund raising in both this country and abroad, and have a long standing direct debit from my personal account for charitable donations and I don't regret a second of it and live (perhaps in the misguided at times) hope that my efforts wern't misappropriated but the one thing I've learned from seeing things both here and abroad is that most people have no idea how people on the other side of the world live, nor do they care. Having said that, the Irish have a very proud history as a charitable nation. In generosity as donations per citizen from data collected in 2008 stand, we were ranked 4th in the world. Now it's not a contest, but that's something to be proud of, and hopefully will continue, but the way things are going, the "charity begins at home" could go a step too far where people think the charity shoud remain in our own home, and should go nowhere else..........

    Like I say, I agree with you, we need to prioritize out spending, and be very carefull where it goes, but we shouldn't neglect the worlds most needy, in their times of need just because we have domestic needs or we don't agree with the political views or humanitarian views of the ruling people of that area, even if that are blatently neglecting their own most needy........Shame on them, but let not the people suffer because of it...........
    "It's far easier to fight for principles than to live up to them."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Westsidex View Post
    Yeah maybe so but its sick to think that a country that spends money on nuclear weapons actually gets aid from a charity. that aid could go to a country that cannot afford to help their own ppl. I guess considering it all you cant really blame the charity as their only alternative would be not to help them but jesus its sick to think that the Pakistani gov spend enough on nucs to cover this problem.

    its sick,
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    No, its not sick, it called the unfolding of a democracy. This is not as opaque and as simple as you believe. Pakistan has only existed as a country since the annexing in 1947. A legacy of Brittanic rule, I am afraid. If you understood the history then I doubt you would raise these points- and yes, I have been to both India and Pakistan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lucy chambers View Post
    No, its not sick, it called the unfolding of a democracy. This is not as opaque and as simple as you believe. Pakistan has only existed as a country since the annexing in 1947. A legacy of Brittanic rule, I am afraid. If you understood the history then I doubt you would raise these points- and yes, I have been to both India and Pakistan.

    So it left to us again to pick up the pieces lol .
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    no, an don, its not. Its entirely voluntary. Unlike when your caught in the middle of it. And to be honest, I like you a lot but that was a really stupid thing to say. The recession is an awful thing. Death is slightly worse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lucy chambers View Post
    no, an don, its not. Its entirely voluntary. Unlike when your caught in the middle of it. And to be honest, I like you a lot but that was a really stupid thing to say. The recession is an awful thing. Death is slightly worse.

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    I don't know. I knew when I posted. Forgive me? I will take you for a ride in my evidently awful car.....
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