Ukraine

[Airbusdriver]

Anyone here still think Putin is a good man, leader, President?

No. And his fear of Covid is a real problem, he is withdrawn and hardly goes anywhere these days. Surrounded by a small group of bad advisors.

[Stephanie]

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It’s a hard nut to shell : up to 30% of people who live in Ukraine identify as Russians ..

The govt hadn’t been kind to that demographic : why should that Third of the country

want to stay within the confines of Ukraine , when their MotherLand Russia is calling ?

^^^ Meaning that a third of the population would be ‘Happy’ for Russian invasion

and possible land grab , division of the country .

I believe it’s east of Dnieper River that the majority ethnic Russians live within Ukraine :

: they would rather the border be to include Them in Russia -

‘If’ there is an invasion , I imagine That would be the aim : to annex that territory .

Putin is clever : as in Crimea , here too those ethnic Russians living in Ukraine can

and most do hold Russian passports . Would ‘seem’ reasonable that those poor people

being treated so unfairly by Ukrainian govt. they be only asking MomRussia for Help .

And what is a true Russian Leader to do , if not ‘help his people’ ?



That whole Russia thing :

It’s frightening : in third decade of 21st Century ! In Europe ! A few years ago it would’ve been

unthinkable .

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*** ^^^^ I wrote this ^^^ some three weeks ago … couldn’t be bothered to post it




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[Stephanie]

Memory of 1938 hangs heavy in Munich as Ukrainian president calls for action

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...lenskiy-russia

“ ‘Has the world forgotten its mistakes of the 20th century?’ asks Volodymyr Zelenskiy as invasion looms

[EscortInspector]

https://www.timesofisrael.com/livebl...s-independent/

Putin recognizes Ukrainian separatist regions as independent

By AP

MOSCOW — Russian President Vladimir Putin has recognized the independence of separatist regions in eastern Ukraine — a move that will severely ratchet up tensions with the West amid fears that his country could invade Ukraine at any moment and use skirmishes as a pretext for an attack.

Putin’s announcement comes after a meeting of his Security Council and paves the way for Russia to openly send troops and weapons to the long-running conflict pitting Ukrainian forces against Moscow-backed rebels.

A 2015 peace deal ended large-scale fighting, but violence has simmered and has seen a spike in recent weeks amid the wider crisis.

[Stephanie]

^^^ Meaning that a third of the population would be ‘Happy’ for Russian invasion

and possible land grab , division of the country .

I believe it’s east of Dnieper River that the majority ethnic Russians live within Ukraine :

: they would rather the border be to include Them in Russia -

‘If’ there is an invasion , I imagine That would be the aim : to annex that territory .

Putin is clever : as in Crimea , here too those ethnic Russians living in Ukraine can

and most do hold Russian passports . Would ‘seem’ reasonable that those poor people

being treated so unfairly by Ukrainian govt. they be only asking MomRussia for Help .

And what is a true Russian Leader to do , if not ‘help his people’ ?



That whole Russia thing :

It’s frightening : in third decade of 21st Century ! In Europe ! A few years ago it would’ve been

unthinkable .

…………

*** ^^^^ I wrote this ^^^ some three weeks ago … couldn’t be bothered to post it




^

“Vladimir Putin will recognise the Russian-controlled territories in southeast Ukraine as independent states in a pivotal decision, scuttling an existing peace agreement and possibly triggering tough new sanctions from the west.

Putin announced the decision in a televised speech marked by the Russian leader’s visceral anger at a country he has called a “brother nation”.

It remains possible that Putin will next send in his military to “defend” the regions in a prelude to a larger war in east Ukraine, or even a full-scale invasion of the country, using the estimated 150,000 troops that he has mustered near Ukraine’s borders.”

“Therefore I believe it is necessary to take a long overdue decision to immediately recognise the independence and sovereignty of the Donetsk People’s Republic and Luhansk People’s Republic,” the Russian proxy states in east Ukraine.”

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“ France and Germany are both signatories of the Minsk agreements, a peace deal that will probably be abandoned as a result of the Russian decision.” — : France 🇫🇷 , Germany 🇩🇪 << They are being peed on …



: in Third Decade of 21st Century in Europe ! Unthinkable !

What Next ?

[Barney Rubble]

After the breakup of the Soviet Union we seen many former Warsaw Pact countries breakup.

The Czech Republic and Slovakia was a fairly peaceful and amicable split.

Yugoslavia was a totally different story. This was a country that was made up of many different cultures and creeds but was held together under Tito's rule.

Ukraine is similar in many ways. It was formed as a country by the USSR.

It was never a nation prior to this and is and always will be a devided nation.

When Russia annexed Crimea I was surprised that they didn't occupy the east of the country at the time.

I really do hope that there can be a peaceful outcome to the current situation but I honestly cannot see Ukraine remaining a united country.

[Stephanie]

After the breakup of the Soviet Union we seen many former Warsaw Pact countries breakup.

The Czech Republic and Slovakia was a fairly peaceful and amicable split.

Yugoslavia was a totally different story. This was a country that was made up of many different cultures and creeds but was held together under Tito's rule.

Ukraine is similar in many ways. It was formed as a country by the USSR.

It was never a nation prior to this and is and always will be a devided nation.

When Russia annexed Crimea I was surprised that they didn't occupy the east of the country at the time.

I really do hope that there can be a peaceful outcome to the current situation but I honestly cannot see Ukraine remaining a united country.

Sadly , I agree xx

: Though I Must say - if it was not for the Russian provocation , Ukraine could very well

live in peace : their mixed ethnicities no different from any number of other European countries xx

[Stephanie]

“ Ukraine crisis: Putin recognises breakaway regions as independent - and ’sends peacekeeping troops’ | World News | Sky News


https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-c...loser-12548265




And all of us sitting so comfortably in our Western European Homes — thinking ‘it doesn’t affect me’ ,

‘Let them at it’ …

But now we are Global : it is Russian NatGas that heats the homes in W EU. , Germany 🇩🇪 Oh-my-goodness !

and it’s Russian NatGas that would heat the homes in Ukraine .. not to elaborate further .

The Human Cost could be enormous / the economic hardship could be unthinkable !

Anyone thinking about this !? : Like at govt and EU and Policy level !?

[joggon]

Map of Luhansk and Donetsk - combined size of approximately 6,500 sq miles - (about half the size of the US state of Maryland)

[joggon]

complete transcript of Putin's speech today.
http://kremlin.ru/events/president/news/67828

​check link