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    I have to add I was disappointed when I friend of mine returned from Poland recently after emigrating there with his Polish girlfriend, apart from the hassle he got in the clubs and pubs when he went out with her from other Polish men, the first job he got was in a factory and the 70+ other staff downed tools in protest of the company hiring a foreign employee.. Not specifically targeting the Irish but very poor act none the less..

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    Dell has lost over 2,500 people from their Dell plant, the plant has moved to Poland where the same job can be done for 3euro an hour compared to 10euro an hour here, the same people who were trained in by experienced people at Dell a few years ago now have the Irish peoples jobs back there, a friend who employs mostly Polish people told me a Polish employee jokingly showed him a flier 'all' Polish people have titled 'how to screw your employer' my friend didnt find it funny, Lithuanian people I know well here told me they are going to 'enjoy the generosity of Ireland' on the dole' after losing their jobs recently after 2 years here my lovely female friend got bullied by Polish people where she was working my point- too many foreign people here driving down the cost of wages & living off our generous Social Welfare system

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    Quote Originally Posted by anon163 View Post
    I have to add I was disappointed when I friend of mine returned from Poland recently after emigrating there with his Polish girlfriend, apart from the hassle he got in the clubs and pubs when he went out with her from other Polish men, the first job he got was in a factory and the 70+ other staff downed tools in protest of the company hiring a foreign employee.. Not specifically targeting the Irish but very poor act none the less..
    will you ppl please get one thing into your fuckin heads.These ppl are commuinists and were reared through commuinism.We are the opposite.We and them are on the opposite ends of the political divide and we are suppose to co exist?It would be like going to Africa and expecting a nice warm welcome from a tribal village.Same thing.

    You see it has fuck all to do with whether they are nice or not.They could be nice,some are ,some arent,i dont know and i dont care either.What this all boils down to is our economy is going down faster than Experienced Punters drawers at the sight of a profile.We simply have to start goping back to the basics and look after our own.Sorry it sounds harsh and it is harsh and alot of the times the truth is indeed harsh but we cannot coexist and live in harmony when our own are be given less and less just so the poles or whoever else can live here.In any event it only breeds racism.

    Take for example a guy with a wife and child recently unemployed.He has all the financial worries and has no idea what to do as jobs are scarce so he has to start the cutting back bits which may end in teh car going or similar or even losing his home.Contrast this to a pole who is on the dole but stays here because he still is better off on the dole here than WORKING in his own country.Not only that but the pole is probably subletting accomodation also and more than likely has all his EU goodies and of course a medical card (fuck the fact that the shite was frightened out of our elderly last year as long as he has his medical card).Along comes the next budget and social welfare is cut more (which will happen) and the Irish guy is still worse off while our polish friend is still staying here because he is still better off.I dont know about you but i would likely attack a pole under those circumstances.

    FFS Look at the attitudes of our gov.They go and bring out a blashemy law,a fuckin blashempy law is just as important as replacing all those lost jobs.What about those priests who screwed chidren and are walking around with their suspended sentences?what about those cunts?Is that blashemy enough?The IRA and Loyalists were criminalised and imprisioned for a lot less in most cases and at least they were fighting over something ,not goign around screwing innocent children and abusing their positions but nope we must have a baslhemy law..The law ,which is aload of bolloxs and a joke goes on about drug dealing while our banks legally,legally rob ppl and continue to do so.

    This place is a fuckin joke and the reason being is the ppl put up with it.


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    I'm fucked up of people being too politically correct!

    The fact of the matter is, the majority of foreign workers who came here at the start of the boom were genuine and hard working people who ended up in Ireland through random circumstances, worked hard and in general were well paid when things took off.

    The fuckers who followed came on the gravy train having heard of the fortunes to be gleaned from the Irish through good wages, relatively relaxed productivity expectations and, let's face it, our naivety.

    I've had this conversation with numerous people - both foreign and Irish - and they pretty much all know of foreign workers who came in on that second, third and fourth wave of migrants and their intention from day one was to screw us over.

    The only argument ever thrown back at me is the fact that we as a nation relied upon emigrating to USA, UK and Australia in the past and this was our turn to be providers.
    Bullshit.

    We are not and never will be a financial force in terms of the World Markets, and therefore we were being overstretched with the amount of people flooding in.

    Not to mention that I remember the 80's well.
    I had family who moved to England.
    But when they came back after numerous years, they didn't return with fortunes amassed.
    They didn't come home to businesses and hotels and property which they had purchased with their savings!
    In fact, they came home to be home - in alot of cases they returned because there was work available, even though the jobs they were taking up at home paid alot less than the jobs they were leaving!

    They also didn't flee back to Ireland with months of car loans, rent and utility bills owing!

    Yes, some of the Irish did try to rip off the people and countries they moved to, but they were the minority. In general, we worked hard and we set up lives for our families in our new adopted homes. And we spent what we earned. Admittedly too much of it was spent in the pubs there but at least we contributed to the economy of the country's we were in.

    The government needs to adopt a policy of protecting it's own.

    America has done it and it will hit us hard.
    Australia have always done it.
    And the UK have learned their lesson from being too open.

    Right now, Cowen should be offering every foreign national, even those that are still employed, a package of say a week's dole payment for every month worked and pay off the foreign workers and dole-getters with a stipulation that they don't regain employment nor are they entitled to any welfare payments for 10 years.
    This will stop our Social Welfare being bled dry, protect the Irish who are unemployed or about to be and also create jobs as I'm sure alot of them would take that deal now if it had a 3-month deadline considering they don't know if they'll have a job in 4 months time.

    Running the country is easy once you've half a brain!

    dom
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    Quote Originally Posted by dom View Post
    I'm fucked up of people being too politically correct!

    The fact of the matter is, the majority of foreign workers who came here at the start of the boom were genuine and hard working people who ended up in Ireland through random circumstances, worked hard and in general were well paid whrn things took off.

    The fuckers who followed came on the gravy train having heard of the fortunes to be gleaned from the Irish through good wages, relatively relaxed productivity expectations and, let's face it, our naivety.

    I've had this conversation with numerous people - both foreign and Irish - and they pretty much all know of foreign workers who came in on that second, third and fourth wave of migrants and their intention from day one was to screw us over.

    The only argument ever thrown back at me is the fact that we as a nation relied upon emigrating to USA, UK and Australia in the past and this was our turn to be providers.
    Bullshit.

    We are not and never will be a financial force in terms of the World Markets, and therefore we were being overstretched with the amount of people flooding in.

    Not to mention that I remember the 80's well.
    I had family who moved to England.
    But when they came back after numerous years, they didn't return with fortunes amassed.
    They didn't come home to businesses and hotels and property which they had purchased with their savings!
    In fact, they came home to be home - in alot of cases they returned because there was work available, even though the jobs they were taking up at home paid alot less than the jobs they were leaving!

    They also didn't flee back to Ireland with months of rent and utility bills owing!

    Yes, some of the Irish did try to rip of the people and countries they moved to, but they were they minority. In general, we worked hard and we set up lives for our families in our new adopted homes. And we spent what we earned. Admittedly too much of it was spent in the pubs there but at least we contributed to the economy of the country's we were in.

    The government needs to adopt a policy of protecting it's own.

    America has done it and it will hit us hard.
    Australia have always done it.
    And the UK have learned their lesson from being too open.

    Right now, Cowen should be offering every foreign national, even those that are still employed, a package of say a week's salary for every month worked and pay off the foreign workers and dole-getters with a stipulation that they don't regain employment nor are they entitled to any welfare payments for 10 years.
    This will stop our Social Welfare being bled dry, protect the Irish who are unemployed or about to be and also create jobs as I'm sure alot of them would take that deal now if it had a 3-month deadline considering they don't know if they'll have a job in 4 months time.

    Running the country is easy once you've half a brain!

    dom
    EXACTlY!
    I have some foreign friends, Polish and Chinese, they are great people, they all tell me they make a wage here and 80% of it is sent back to their own counrty, they are not to blame, they are only doing an honest days work to build a future for their families, but on our countries expense and the person who opened the flood gates is to blame.

    Politician are well over paid! we middle class work more harder than them.
    I was furious to hear on Newstalk some politician said it was necessary to travel government jet for convenience to avoid, ques, waiting terminals, overnights in hotels.
    €8000 AN HOUR FOR A FLIGHT TO LONDON, FUCKING NOBS!!!
    Another one traveled to USA return trip that cost €100,000!!! seriously $100k for one trip!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by silo View Post
    EXACTlY!
    I have some foreign friends, Polish and Chinese, they are great people, they all tell me they make a wage here and 80% of it is sent back to their own counrty, they are not to blame, they are only doing an honest days work to build a future for their families, but on our countries expense and the person who opened the flood gates is to blame.

    Politician are well over paid! we middle class work more harder than them.
    I was furious to hear on Newstalk some politician said it was necessary to travel government jet for convenience to avoid, ques, waiting terminals, overnights in hotels.
    €8000 AN HOUR FOR A FLIGHT TO LONDON, FUCKING NOBS!!!
    Another one traveled to USA return trip that cost €100,000!!! seriously $100k for one trip!!
    it has nothing to do with the fact that they are great,nice,nasty,or whatever the case may be.It has to do with the fact that they are claiming welfare here and still have enough money to send that home........................on welfare.We cannot afford our own right now so what hope have we with all of these ppl?

    Westside.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dom View Post
    I'm fucked up of people being too politically correct!
    I don't ask that we all be uber politically correct, but when I hear someone saying that most polish or eastern european people are stupid, it certainly sounds like racism to me. You want a fair debate, debate away, but when people say stupid racist things it doesn't help anyone, in fact rational people stop listening to everything you have to say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patricia View Post
    I don't ask that we all be uber politically correct, but when I hear someone saying that most polish or eastern european people are stupid, it certainly sounds like racism to me. You want a fair debate, debate away, but when people say stupid racist things it doesn't help anyone, in fact rational people stop listening to everything you have to say.
    But I didn't say that!

    I am not racist, I am Irish and proud to be.

    I think you should check the start of this thread as it starts with a post about how we (the Irish) are now subject to racism when it comes to employment in Poland.

    I think I have made my points with out being racist but by highlighting my concerns for the plight of my beloved country and its people - including myself.

    But to be honest Pat, considering the report in the first thread, I think people are pretty much entitled to express themselves in whatever way they feel means they are being true to their beliefs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dom View Post
    But I didn't say that!

    I am not racist, I am Irish and proud to be.

    I think you should check the start of this thread as it starts with a post about how we (the Irish) are now subject to racism when it comes to employment in Poland.

    I think I have made my points with out being racist but by highlighting my concerns for the plight of my beloved country and its people - including myself.

    But to be honest Pat, considering the report in the first thread, I think people are pretty much entitled to express themselves in whatever way they feel means they are being true to their beliefs.

    dom
    To clarify, my post was not directed at saying you personally are the one who said the Polish were stupid at the beginning of the thread. I know you weren't.

    I was replying to your politically correct bit, to say I think some people here are going beyond being not politically correct, i.e. they are being racist.

    Regards people being racist against the Irish, I don't condone that either of course.

    Two wrongs don't make a right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patricia View Post
    To clarify, my post was not directed at saying you personally are the one who said the Polish were stupid at the beginning of the thread. I know you weren't.

    I was replying to your politically correct bit, to say I think some people here are going beyond being not politically correct, i.e. they are being racist.

    Regards people being racist against the Irish, I don't condone that either of course.

    Two wrongs don't make a right.

    Pat x
    then racist or otherwise i will speak what i believe to be the truth.Thats just a roundabout way of saying keep your racist accusations to yourself.

    Alot of Irish are afraid to speak out for fear of being labelled racist.Im not one of them.

    By the way,calling me a racist for giving my opinion is like me calling you a pimp for running this site.Also i dont take moral lessions from ppl who are no more or less moral than myself.If your Polish staff dont like whats being said here then give them something else to do.

    By the way,if you were running your business here in Ireland instead of exporting it ,you would speak to a very different tune.Mark my word,its very easy for you to think its fine for these ppl to contributing to destroying the Irish Economy when you are making the kind of monthly income your making from this site.

    Careful climbing down off the stage love,
    Westside.

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