!!!URGENT WARNING from Michelle Mulherin TD

[saoirsemac]

doozer that case which ill need to find in my eyes was cruel

the child had a severly under devolped brain, cant eat breath etc without outside assistence
also no rectum, the child for wat of better word a vegatable, do i see his exsitence as cruel yes i do..

i know too many sick people doozer not to think able this radicaly

as for life support if there is no brain movement of course switch it, i believe in the right to die, and tbh for those with brain function on life support with no way of living without it my heart goes out to him, hosiptal now encourage these patients or a next of kin to sign a DNR.... i hate to see anything suffer tbh

fair enu the child can go on and surive a pregnecy, but wat about the mother? the women who carries it? is there any consideration for her? ive know girls who found out they where pregnent forced to keep it by family one of them tryed her 4th sucide attempt not so long ago... they where mental able to deal with having a child, they made a mistake
abortion wud have been the better option,

its not just the fetous but the mother too!

and yes doozer u will never have to deal with an unwanted pregnency! its traumatic and life changing
an abortion is not something do lightly firstly this notion of women using it for contraceptive is shocking see what happens when u take an abortion pill its horrific tbh, or the surgery abortion,

ur in limerick there a lovely women in the gp in UL who tell u why girls have abortions! ask her about the girls who come in covered in cuts as they have started cutting themselves form the pain, or the ones who out of desperation took to home methods leaving themselves forever damaged

u can say well they just stupid hey are just immature, but wat they are is lost and unsure
people react different to grief, do not think for a second the women who have abortions do not mourn everyday and think what if? but thanks to good consuleling and non judgemental people, these women can see the light and see the decision they made was right for them at the time!

[EnglishAlex]

Jesus she is one ugly mare..........

I was looking at her face and wondering what people who practice Chinese Face Reading would make of her. I know it's not an exact science but it's been around for years and I find it quite interesting. Just did a quick check and her face matches with the type of person she seems to be.

Eyes angle down - pessimist, she looks in pain when smiling so I'm guessing her mouth is also turned down - Pessimist. Small mouth too - Not sensual. Thin lips - secretive and reserved. Big nostrils - likes to spend. Large chin - demanding. Big teeth - stubborn

This is just a bit of fun btw, I don't walk around judging people based on how they look but do find the subject fascinating.

Her whole statement is bullshit. Bible bashing in the extreme. Religion has no place in politics and the sooner people get a grip and realise this the better. She should be sacked for making such stupid comments.

[Doozer]

doozer that case which ill need to find in my eyes was cruel

the child had a severly under devolped brain, cant eat breath etc without outside assistence
also no rectum, the child for wat of better word a vegatable, do i see his exsitence as cruel yes i do..

i know too many sick people doozer not to think able this radicaly

as for life support if there is no brain movement of course switch it, i believe in the right to die, and tbh for those with brain function on life support with no way of living without it my heart goes out to him, hosiptal now encourage these patients or a next of kin to sign a DNR.... i hate to see anything suffer tbh

fair enu the child can go on and surive a pregnecy, but wat about the mother? the women who carries it? is there any consideration for her? ive know girls who found out they where pregnent forced to keep it by family one of them tryed her 4th sucide attempt not so long ago... they where mental able to deal with having a child, they made a mistake
abortion wud have been the better option,

its not just the fetous but the mother too!

and yes doozer u will never have to deal with an unwanted pregnency! its traumatic and life changing
an abortion is not something do lightly firstly this notion of women using it for contraceptive is shocking see what happens when u take an abortion pill its horrific tbh, or the surgery abortion,

ur in limerick there a lovely women in the gp in UL who tell u why girls have abortions! ask her about the girls who come in covered in cuts as they have started cutting themselves form the pain, or the ones who out of desperation took to home methods leaving themselves forever damaged

u can say well they just stupid hey are just immature, but wat they are is lost and unsure
people react different to grief, do not think for a second the women who have abortions do not mourn everyday and think what if? but thanks to good consuleling and non judgemental people, these women can see the light and see the decision they made was right for them at the time!

That is so sad, and my heart obviously goes out to the family of the boy with no brain etc

No I wasnt refering to those who are brain dead, say those on ventilaters etc who could make a full recovery but are now relient on machaines to keep them alive

I understand some girls may be suicidal , but they should be given treatment as its a psychiatric disorder. Again it comes back to whose life is more important. the mothers or the baby's

I understand abortion isnt just an afterthought and most women have to make a very truamatic expirence and can actually anguish over it.

Im not saying they were stupid, they made mistakes sure, but who hasnt, its the takeing responsiblity for the mistakex that matters

[Doozer]

Not wanting to put words in Violettes mouth, but i think she is merely pointing out that modern states do not really put a value on human life at all. Logically any state that has law enforcement, army etc, is already devaluing human life as the state uses the ultimate deterrent, death. What Violette may be missing is the nuance of the Irish situation where we pretend that all life is sacred, that leads to the current situation where you have to put a hierarchy on life and then you end up in endless convoluted arguments about abortion, abortion information, when life begins, is there a soul etc etc.

Value of taking a life 25 to life (or 6 years here)
Value of taking someone important in some states death

[doodlebug]

Value of taking a life 25 to life (or 6 years here)
Value of taking someone important in some states death

Agree, and shows the hierarchy of life, which makes a nonsense of most of the abortion argument on either side. i thought under the eyes of God we are all the same, clearly not in death.

[Violette]

That is so sad, and my heart obviously goes out to the family of the boy with no brain etc

No I wasnt refering to those who are brain dead, say those on ventilaters etc who could make a full recovery but are now relient on machaines to keep them alive

I understand some girls may be suicidal , but they should be given treatment as its a psychiatric disorder. Again it comes back to whose life is more important. the mothers or the baby's

I understand abortion isnt just an afterthought and most women have to make a very truamatic expirence and can actually anguish over it.

Im not saying they were stupid, they made mistakes sure, but who hasnt, its the takeing responsiblity for the mistakex that matters

And sometimes taking responsibility is having an abortion. If you are in no place to care for yourself how are you going to care for a needy human being, who sleeps in 2 hour stretches and is emotionally, physically, and mentally demanding? Sometimes the best thing is to take of ones self first.

[Doozer]

And sometimes taking responsibility is having an abortion. If you are in no place to care for yourself how are you going to care for a needy human being, who sleeps in 2 hour stretches and is emotionally, physically, and mentally demanding? Sometimes the best thing is to take of ones self first.

The child could always be given up why have it killed?

[LaBelleThatcher]

and yes doozer u will never have to deal with an unwanted pregnency! its traumatic and life changing
an abortion is not something do lightly firstly this notion of women using it for contraceptive is shocking see what happens when u take an abortion pill its horrific tbh, or the surgery abortion,

ur in limerick there a lovely women in the gp in UL who tell u why girls have abortions! ask her about the girls who come in covered in cuts as they have started cutting themselves form the pain, or the ones who out of desperation took to home methods leaving themselves forever damaged

u can say well they just stupid hey are just immature, but wat they are is lost and unsure
people react different to grief, do not think for a second the women who have abortions do not mourn everyday and think what if? but thanks to good consuleling and non judgemental people, these women can see the light and see the decision they made was right for them at the time!

So true...

We do not live in an ideal world, and we never will, so framing legislation in terms of one is just very, very cruel.

Pregnancy is a cross that only women bear.

[doodlebug]

So true...

We do not live in an ideal world, and we never will, so framing legislation in terms of one is just very, very cruel.

Pregnancy is a cross that only women bear.

A cross emburdened by male legislators

[EnglishAlex]

The child could always be given up why have it killed?

Doozer the way you're going you'll be saying having a wank is abortion ffs.

Why have it killed? A small group of cells that have the capacity to ruin your life we're talking about, not a healthy living baby. Instead of being contrary, be logical. It brings us back to 'what is your defiition of life'? The circle continues. Maybe this is why abortion is still not legal, people have these strong views having been brain washed by th church or just very strict people who haven't actually experienced much life but see fit to judge everybody else on theirs. Fucking laughable really.

The year is 2012 and there's no reason at all why a woman should be forced to go through something that she doesn't want to. Pregnancy can be dreadful for some women, life threatening and detrimental to their mental health if the baby they're carrying is unwanted. To then expect that poor vulnerable woman to hand over the baby after all that is too much.

You know what, fuck it. Bring back the Magdeline Laundries. Because that was the correct way of dealing with this issue. No? The church has failed this country over and over again but the attitude of many people doesn't reflect that. Brain washed doesn't even begin to cover it.

I was in Belfast recently and was stopped by people who asked me to sign a petition against abortion. They got a piece of my mind. I was shocked to see girls in their late teens/early 20's standing there supporting this ridiculous load of rubbish. Take away a womans right to do what she likes with her body? Why do you think that's acceptable? I do not.

What would you suggest Doozer, if an escort found out she was pregnant? Condoms aren't 100% so it's a possibility. Imagine, trying to guess who's the father. Pick a card, any card