!!!URGENT WARNING from Michelle Mulherin TD

[LaBelleThatcher]

I'm not sure that she is saying that exactly. They have used a 14 year old girl as the example of someone who was denied having an abortion. She is then looking at people that she describes as 'weak', but what is not being discussed is the fact that contraception has been villified for all these years and the solution is in making sure that everyone who is sexually active and not wanting to bring life into this world is using it and not relying on their partner to be the one using it (ie both using it). Why go straight to the cure and not the solution?

If only they could get the pope to kiss and condom and say it was a gift from God and then you might get less unwanted children and needless abortions.

Apologies to anyone who is religious and thinks that is blasphemous, but to me it is all didactic rubbish, but they do have the power to make people listen and I wish they would use it for good for a change.

On the serious issues raised I don't think I have anything much to add to that...

Except that abortion is the taking of life, and should only ever happen as a last resort, but sadly, in this life the last resort is too often the only one realistically available.

PS I would like to state my objection to any additional notions that may arise during this Dail of compelling "comely maidens" to "dance at crossroads" at this point...before I forget and it is too late

[Violette]

* Devils Advocate*

For all those points you rasied
Are any of it the babies fault, and are they proper reasons for the exceution of a fetus?

An so an established life is chosen as the sacarifical lamb to that of an unformed one? There is always all this fuss about oh but life is scared, and precious and holy. Oh spare me! It is no such thing, it is simply the result of when sperm meets egg.

[Doozer]

An so an established life is chosen as the sacarifical lamb to that of an unformed one? There is always all this fuss about oh but life is scared, and precious and holy. Oh spare me! It is no such thing, it is simply the result of when sperm meets egg.

So in your eyes the elimination of any life on this planet is fine
After all we are just the end product of when a sperm and an egg meeting

[saoirsemac]

Ah but it will have the potential to live outside the womb and the debate about when life starts gets very murky

Unwanted children can go up for adoption
As for Healthy child, would you care to elaborate ?

cud a feotus as its not a baby yet surive been born at 16weeks? no they cannot,

a healthy child ie not going to die within hours of the birth, and tbh some severe illness

i dnt think its right to bring some children into this world under the guise of its gods gift, bullshit

there is children who they appualed when they reached 2, keep alive by machince and stomach tubes great life ya o this child also had no rectum btw! and had 0 brain function how is that right

or children with severe disabilties, deformanties etc, ur going to swing this around and call it cleansing

i call be kind, ask the people suffering if they had the choice wud they have choose to be born

most cant answer why as there are inable too, thats not a life its an exsitentce and noone deserve that


or the women who gets cancer goes on with a pregnecy dies due to lack of treatment and leave behind other children do i think that wrong hell ya, u dont leave ur living children motherless

end of the day doozer its not ur body u cant have children, and it mostly the women who have to deal with it! (not all cases before u fucking jump) when u are pregnent doozer and u gotta make a choice

get back to me then ya

coz no one knows till there in the situation im sure there been plenty pro life women who have changed there view when they see wat the stick says when it drys

[doodlebug]

So in your eyes the elimination of any life on this planet is fine
After all we are just the end product of when a sperm and an egg meeting

Not wanting to put words in Violettes mouth, but i think she is merely pointing out that modern states do not really put a value on human life at all. Logically any state that has law enforcement, army etc, is already devaluing human life as the state uses the ultimate deterrent, death. What Violette may be missing is the nuance of the Irish situation where we pretend that all life is sacred, that leads to the current situation where you have to put a hierarchy on life and then you end up in endless convoluted arguments about abortion, abortion information, when life begins, is there a soul etc etc.

[Banjaxed]

Thank heavens that we still have enough blockheads in the Dail to prevent any move on this, or any move towards a constitutional change for "abortion on demand".

[Doozer]

cud a feotus as its not a baby yet surive been born at 16weeks? no they cannot,

a healthy child ie not going to die within hours of the birth, and tbh some severe illness

i dnt think its right to bring some children into this world under the guise of its gods gift, bullshit

there is children who they appualed which 2 when they do not have a brain how is that right

or children with severe disabilties, deformanties etc, ur going to swing this around and call it cleansing

i call be kind, ask the people suffering if they had the choice wud they have choose to be born

most cant answer why as there are inable too, thats not a life its an exsitentce and noone deserve that


or the women who gets cancer goes on with a pregnecy dies due to lack of treatment and leave behind other children do i think that wrong hell ya, u dont leave ur living children motherless

end of the day doozer its not ur body u cant have children, and it mostly the women who have to deal with it! (not all cases before u fucking jump) when u are pregnent doozer and u gotta make a choice

get back to me then ya

Ill answer these in points

1 I never said they could, I said they have the potential too survive and go on and live a normal life.
The whole it wouldnt survive outside the womb can be seen as a mute point. Would you switch off peoples life support machaines as they are relient on them?

2 Can you ever be 100% certain that the child will only survive a few hours?

3 Thats a fucked up statement

4 I assume you mean mentaly challenged rather than are left without a brain itself, a menatlly challenged person still has a right to life, as has a physicaly challegned person.

5 ,so people suffering from thalidomide deformaties need to be gotten rid of? Thats a fairly immoral statement

6 youd prefer not to give them the choice

Ill admit the last point is a bit of a conundrum
Whose life is worth more or do we as a society value more, the mothers of the childs

Evolutional scientists would argue that it is in the passing on of your genes is the most important thing in life so they would argue that the babies life is more important than the the mothers.


I have never been pregant and will never have to make that choice

[Doozer]

Thank heavens that we still have enough blockheads in the Dail to prevent any move on this, or any move towards a constitutional change for "abortion on demand".

See my point 4

[Banjaxed]

See my point 4

It used to always amuse me anytime the topic came up in relation to Article 40.3.3 that the holy Joes are still always be first in to pull the place out of it and shout down anyone with any different view. It's still an issue that drives people mad.

[rubberlover]

What crap. Its a sin to have sex, right, but its okay to fiddle your expenses, tell lies at tribunals, take money for "polictical favours" etc etc etc. Jesus she is one ugly mare..........

Maybe what she needs is a good r.d......