My next punt will be...

[Lucy Chambers]

The point I am making really is that, as you said, the court case is still pending, so we can't state these these as fact if there is no evidence. Sure, people should make a choice, but I've removed comments said for (who would be considered) true independent on the same principals.

It's rumours. If these escorts use the same photographer and someone wants to veer clear, nobody is stopping them. We hear so much about the media twisting things and changing the context of things... that always happens here! Apparently, I've worked for E-I before being Samlad 'in some other capacity', Nicole is apparently my other account and someone earlier states that true independents have escorts working for them...?

Do we laugh it off or assume that there must be an element of truth to these things? In my eyes, truth is a series of events that have been agreed upon by the majority... fact is what actually happened.

The problem with this industry is the whole anonymity of it all. As long as there is anonymity, there's ambiguity. That's also the fundamental flaw of a reviews system.

However the facts remain, the profile was put up and the comments were made. You cannot possibly change how people feel about this issue, rumours about you and Nicole will not get people hauled in for questioning. Tonight, there will be a programme on Irish Television that will create further issues, and so we go on. No one is expecting EI to police the industry, however its quite healthy for people to be concerned. If the law changes we will all be in the Black Market in any case, in which case it will become necessary for clients to know the full name and backgorund of the ladies they see, if they see them at all.

[samlad]

Ok. U just said all with this and JC approved u.
Then why keep supporting the independence of the escort when at the end u just say this ??
Even with proof some of the punters who only see their interest will keep pretend that is ok the situation as long as the girls are happy to work for a guy.
Well my boys.
Those guy are fucking millionaires thanks to the ones like u.
So no bother anymore for the guys who want to show the real face of some of the "independent" here on the forums,as Long as some other punters don't want to see it. "no proofs no proofs!!"
Even with proper proof As shown before,some guys keep saying that they are only news paper.

I'm a button pusher... I get paid the same whether we have 80 or 800 escorts advertising, so I just say what I see; there's no gain in it for me. I'll support any escort that has a right to post or advertise unless there is some high certainty of anything unsavoury.

[samlad]

However the facts remain, the profile was put up and the comments were made. You cannot possibly change how people feel about this issue, rumours about you and Nicole will not get people hauled in for questioning. Tonight, there will be a programme on Irish Television that will create further issues, and so we go on.

People should embrace this topic. What I don't agree with is people stating that escorts are trafficked or pimped because they use the same photographer as if it was a certainty.

[Lucy Chambers]

People should embrace this topic. What I don't agree with is people stating that escorts are trafficked or pimped because they use the same photographer as if it was a certainty.

No one actually stated that. Unfortunately there is a grey area between willing agency and possible coersion, and recent events are proving very worrying for some. County Donegal is the latest to say they may pull clients in for questioning re the recent trafficking ring, and thats only one county. So, for some people, a photographer in Bucharest and a few shared apartments/telephone numbers profiles/answering service is a step too far, thats all I think. Not one person will stop going to see a girl because of anything said here, I can guarantee that.

[ber]

I'm a button pusher... I get paid the same whether we have 80 or 800 escorts advertising, so I just say what I see; there's no gain in it for me. I'll support any escort that has a right to post or advertise unless there is some high certainty of anything unsavoury.

Im not quite sure that would be true now, im fairly certain if u were making decisions that were reducing the revenue stream
and ultimately the profits it would be viewed in rather a dim light. So im sure if this was happening it would have reprecussions for ure renumeration and ultimately ure job.

A team player

[samlad]

Im not quite sure that would be true now, im fairly certain if u were making decisions that were reducing the revenue stream
and ultimately the profits it would be viewed in rather a dim light. So im sure if this was happening it would have reprecussions for ure renumeration and ultimately ure job.

A team player

It depends on your perspective of things I suppose.

[ber]

It depends on your perspective of things I suppose.

To be honest the only priority of any serious buisness is the bottom line so im quite sure thats the only perspective there is.
This applies to all buisnesses not just this one thats just the way things are

[ber]

Earl has left the building

[Lucy Chambers]

They aren't named in the court transcript because they weren't that time in Ireland to work. They came after the other "stars" had to leave Ireland. And obvious they had to be replaced. That guy needs money for his bread))
This is what he did all his life. Proxenetism and blackmail. That's why he is now in prison.
Except now they are more carefully how to do things.

Sure, they even recycled profiles at one point.

[mellors]

Without trying to get involved with the pimp/ trafficking debate too much, i have fairly recently seen the same girl a few times.
I dont for one minute believe her nationality on her profile is real and that the country she comes from the average monthly wage is low, yet goods in the shops are on a par with Ireland, pretty miserable and suffocating.
Is she happy to be working over here as an escort, you bet she is. Even if a high percentage of what she earns goes to a third party she is still making a monthly wage at home in ,what, three/four days ? Shes a fairly young girl who likes to have that sort of disposable income.Right or wrong...I don't know
Also i've noticed that not all girls take to the job, or it doesn't work out for them, they go home, which doesn't seem to indicate that they are here under duress. But then i'm just an innocent fella.