Sinn Fein- Support in The Republic of Ireland

[experiencedguy]

[QUOTE=TheNads;598125]

It is to be feared as their economic policies are childish.

Let it be known that I am not a member of SF but a socialist.
Fact : SF's last 2 pre-budget submissions have been presented to the dept. of finance for costing, verification etc & on both occasions it had to be admitted that the numbers stacked up.
None of our "independent" media chose to highlight this & merely let the hacks continue to trash & dismiss the SF economic policies as "childish" & it has enjoyed success obviously as I see these words repeated here.

Give me the link and I'll read it, but I'm dubious. I've seen their policies.

[carlos marvado]

It is to be feared as their economic policies are childish.

However, your barely veiled comparison to extremist right wing movements of old is just as simplistic and poorly thought out IMHO. SF are a socialist party with an all Ireland agenda. Nothing wrong with that. They just need to mature as politicians.

Whatever your opinion as to their roots, as a political party they have a social conscience, are inclusive and can in no way be compared to any right wing extremist parties from history or present day.

But their roots are significant......they are where they are today as a result of their roots and their history.

I think their new found politically expedient "social conscience" will be of cold comfort to the relatives of anyone who was denied the most basic human right of all by them and their fellow travellers. Where was this social conscience when they took it upon themselves to orphen 10 children?...........the name Jean McConville should be inscribed on the tombstone of every member of Sinn Fein/IRA. There just isn't enough water on this planet for them to wash that much blood away.

As for history and right wing extremist parties..........well if the Irish people really want to know what it felt like for the Germans and others to live under the Nazi regime.......VOTE SINN FEIN.

Has'nt good old Martin not already been expressing his displeasure at the West Brit media asking him too many awkward questions about his past. Would they ask these questions if Sinn Fein were ever in government?.......or would they even be allowed to ask these questions? The IRA are to Sinn Fein what the Brown Shirts were to the Nazis.

[Bruno69]

[QUOTE=experiencedguy;598128]

Give me the link and I'll read it, but I'm dubious. I've seen their policies.

Would also love to see a link which backs this up. If true I'll hold my hand up but as of now am also filing this under dubious.

[Bruno69]

But their roots are significant......they are where they are today as a result of their roots and their history.

I think their new found politically expedient "social conscience" will be of cold comfort to the relatives of anyone who was denied the most basic human right of all by them and their fellow travellers. Where was this social conscience when they took it upon themselves to orphen 10 children?...........the name Jean McConville should be inscribed on the tombstone of every member of Sinn Fein/IRA. There just isn't enough water on this planet for them to wash that much blood away.

As for history and right wing extremist parties..........well if the Irish people really want to know what it felt like for the Germans and others to live under the Nazi regime.......VOTE SINN FEIN.

Has'nt good old Martin not already been expressing his displeasure at the West Brit media asking him too many awkward questions about his past. Would they ask these questions if Sinn Fein were ever in government?.......or would they even be allowed to ask these questions? The IRA are to Sinn Fein what the Brown Shirts were to the Nazis.

This is dreary stuff. I'm not apologising for anything they did, but that is history.

You're last sentence is nonsense in the present day context.

[TheNads]

You have good points regarding FG/Labour and FF. We have no real options in voting, but bringing us back 30 years is not an option either. It's the lack of will of the people to get involved in politics except from the comfort of their armchair that has resulted in this.

Bear in mind that the reason we have 'angry ill-educated young men' in Ireland is because THEY CHOSE TO BE. Society didn't choose it for them. If a person wants to get educated, they can. It may take a while, but that's the price everybody pays. It takes 3 years at least to get a degree. The fact is that these 'ill-educated' young men saw the money being flouted about on building sites and went after the quick fix. That was their decision, not 'society's'.

So where are the options? Where are the protests? They're all sitting at home, writing on forums on their laptops, or shouting from the roof of Facebook to any idiot that will listen instead of getting off their arses and doing something for themselves, and THAT is the real problem.

I am tempted to take on your generalisation about young men from a certain socio-economic background but could just drone on all day about very complex, social science issues, their backgrounds, family / community pressures & will not condemn people for taking the option to earn real money for the 1st time ever.
These people don't come from a place where 3rd level education is encouraged, they have way more issues to overcome than Johnny middle-class, who has an expectation on him to be educated.
Enough, I'm gonna let it lie. You don't deserve my ire.
I am one of those from the lower socio-economic scale who managed to educate myself & believe me it's much harder than for others to get there. I haven't even touched on the psychological issues & society making the have-nots feel like they are where they deserve to be & then these people acting out .....................
Suffice to say that I think your rant ill-informed & full of holes.

[UncleBob]

All major parties in the Republic, with the exception of Labour, were associated paramilitary organisations at some point during the twentieth century. It's just a question of how long ago.

Hmm, Irish Citizen Army?

The Irish Citizen Army (Irish name: Arm Cathartha na hÉireann), or ICA, was a small group of trained trade union volunteers established in Dublin for the defence of worker’s demonstrations from the police. It was formed by James Larkin and Jack White. Other prominent members included James Connolly, Seán O'Casey, Constance Markievicz, Francis Sheehy-Skeffington. In 1916, it took part in the Easter Rising – an armed insurrection aimed at ending British rule in Ireland.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Citizen_Army

[TheNads]

[QUOTE=experiencedguy;598128]

Give me the link and I'll read it, but I'm dubious. I've seen their policies.

I will dig for it today & post it when I can.
I'm not ducking it, just read it the best part of a year ago & need to remember where.

[experiencedguy]

I am tempted to take on your generalisation about young men from a certain socio-economic background but could just drone on all day about very complex, social science issues, their backgrounds, family / community pressures & will not condemn people for taking the option to earn real money for the 1st time ever.
These people don't come from a place where 3rd level education is encouraged, they have way more issues to overcome than Johnny middle-class, who has an expectation on him to be educated.
Enough, I'm gonna let it lie. You don't deserve my ire.
I am one of those from the lower socio-economic scale who managed to educate myself & believe me it's much harder than for others to get there. I haven't even touched on the psychological issues & society making the have-nots feel like they are where they deserve to be & then these people acting out .....................
Suffice to say that I think your rant ill-informed & full of holes.

....while you take the time to quote and comment on only one part of my argument, in only one post that I have written on this topic? I think you have no more arguments, at least not ones that stand up to any rationale.

You are not the only one to educate himself from a lower socio-economic background.

I also note you dismiss what I say as a rant that is 'full of holes' and only tackle the generalisation I have made. Yes, it is a generalisation, and most probably an unjust one at that, but I cannot see you tackling my views or reasoning on Sinn Féin anywhere in your reply.

[Bruno69]

[QUOTE=TheNads;598142]

I will dig for it today & post it when I can.

I'm not ducking it, just read it the best part of a year ago & need to remember where.

If this was a parliamentary debate, there would be loud guffawing from the benches

We await your link with interest.

[TheNads]

....while you take the time to quote and comment on only one part of my argument, in only one post that I have written on this topic? I think you have no more arguments, at least not ones that stand up to any rationale.

You are not the only one to educate himself from a lower socio-economic background.

I also note you dismiss what I say as a rant that is 'full of holes' and only tackle the generalisation I have made. Yes, it is a generalisation, and most probably an unjust one at that, but I cannot see you tackling my views or reasoning on Sinn Féin anywhere in your reply.

As you said I didn't look past your comments on young men of a certain socio-economic background, as this is personal to me I broached only that issue. I never claimed to be alone & have many friends I grew up with who also educated themselves. Just passionately protective of where I come from & sneers from others.