Question for the ladies?

[hd7055]

Jc / morpheous

With respect your latest posts are probably the dumbest on the entire Internet. Jc, open your eyes - n/b is not an independent!

Guys, I know you want to believe ... Cop the f' on.

Hd.

[anon361]

I mentioned the word trafficked but i did include the sceptical rolleyes as I do not believe it applies in these situations nor do i believe it applies in a lot of cases where ladies claim to be trafficked.
Personally i think it's an easy way for a lady to gain assylum but like the boy who cried wolf they are damaging the cases of genuine ladies that need help.
I have no problem seeing an agency lady once she is professional and up front about it, that is a ladies choice, my worry is going to see a lady that under handed about it or is being bullied to hand over more than a fair share of her earnings.

[takemedrunkimhome]

Guys I could be totally wrong here but are we not talking about being members of an escorting website, where its all about time
and companionship and being an act of mutual consent between two adults?

I know that a lot of the ladies here had no choice but to work for an agency when they first came to Ireland, but then spread
their wings as independent ladies when they knew the run of the place.

I have no problem ever meeting any of those ladies, everyone had to start somewhere.

But my question is, do you not think it is a bit naive on our part to think that trafficking does not exist in this country just
because its not apparent on our website?
Just because we don't have a thread absolutely proving the existence of trafficking, does that make it any less of a possibility?

I would love to think every girl working in Ireland is either independent or working for an agency(pimp) by her own choice
because she wants to improve her own security etc.

But the truth I am afraid of, is that we are not privy to all the seedy happenings in this country, as much as we would love to
think we are.

Sorry, rant over

[ChiefHandker]

I generally agree with you take, we don't really know and how would we? I think that's the issue Anon raising here.

I have no problem ever meeting any of those ladies, everyone had to start somewhere.

I disagree with this bit. Anon's thread was started in light of the recent article & videos on that Romanian operation in Ireland so i'd definitely have a problem meeting these ladies considering that a chunk of the fee was going directly to these scumbags so they can I dunno, buy bigger knives (wtf were those things anyway, looked like fucking swords)

[takemedrunkimhome]

I generally agree with you take, we don't really know and how would we? I think that's the issue Anon raising here.



I disagree with this bit. Anon's thread was started in light of the recent article & videos on that Romanian operation in Ireland so i'd definitely have a problem meeting these ladies considering that a chunk of the fee was going directly to these scumbags so they can I dunno, buy bigger knives (wtf were those things anyway, looked like fucking swords)

True chief, I see where you are coming from here.
I think I might not have been too clear on this part of my post, but what I really meant was that some of the nicest and best
independent escorts I have met on here have started with an agency because they had no other choice only to do so.

I totally agree that those scumbags shouldnt be sponsored but I am not sure that was always the case for the girls I am
referring to.

Hope this makes sense?

[JAMESCORK]

Jc / morpheous

With respect your latest posts are probably the dumbest on the entire Internet. Jc, open your eyes - n/b is not an independent!

Guys, I know you want to believe ... Cop the f' on.

Hd.

Good morning hd... and how are you today...

Now, kindly explain your little outburst last night where myself and Morph are deemed the dumbest on EI... and who or what is n/b???

(how many Gin & Tonics was it then...lol)

[ryder]

I'm still mystified by the inner workings of this whole scene. Any girl I ever visited told me she was truly independent.I would hate to be giving my hard earned cash to some yellow livered scumbag

[JAMESCORK]

Im a bit mystified myself bud.. but here is my understanding. There are pimps that scour the planet looking for girls to pimp. They can approach a variety of girls, possibly girls in the biz in their own country, lapdancers or even individuals in a bar. The line used I am led to believe is.. “You are mad to be working here… you are a good looking girl… there is big money to be made in western Europe.. I can help you…blah blah blah”…. So is this girl Independent when she comes here. You could say yes, as she works for herself and can pick and choose when she works and who she sees and how often. But…. She does pay ‘fees’ to her finder, so maybe not TRULY independent. She can make good money herself too. She may have an amicable relationship with her finder/pimp. In some cases she could be his girlfriend. But would I feel guilty visiting a girl in this scenario? … I feel no, not entirely. I consider I am giving money to the girl, and her arrangements after that are her business. But I would feel sorry for a girl that got into the depths of something that she didn’t realise exist.

I suppose at the end of the day we have to consider that this is prostitution, and this trade does carry an element of seedy scumbags as per the norm… It is naïve to think that these are all little girls who have just finished college and decided to give escorting a lash for the craic…

[Amy Alison]

Im a bit mystified myself bud.. but here is my understanding. There are pimps that scour the planet looking for girls to pimp. They can approach a variety of girls, possibly girls in the biz in their own country, lapdancers or even individuals in a bar. The line used I am led to believe is.. “You are mad to be working here… you are a good looking girl… there is big money to be made in western Europe.. I can help you…blah blah blah”…. So is this girl Independent when she comes here. You could say yes, as she works for herself and can pick and choose when she works and who she sees and how often. But…. She does pay ‘fees’ to her finder, so maybe not TRULY independent. She can make good money herself too. She may have an amicable relationship with her finder/pimp. In some cases she could be his girlfriend. But would I feel guilty visiting a girl in this scenario? … I feel no, not entirely. I consider I am giving money to the girl, and her arrangements after that are her business. But I would feel sorry for a girl that got into the depths of something that she didn’t realise exist.

I suppose at the end of the day we have to consider that this is prostitution, and this trade does carry an element of seedy scumbags as per the norm… It is naïve to think that these are all little girls who have just finished college and decided to give escorting a lash for the craic…

The real question to see if indeed is an agency type girl, like the ones in UK, or just being pimped modern style is: how easy can a girl (that makes a lot of money, as someone who doesn't will be asked to leave anyway) be allowed to leave if she wants to became later an independent escort?

Friendly departure, "thank you for your time", yes, this is an agency that acted as an employer / facilitator.
Death treats, extorsion, blackmail, beatings, ensuring she cannot work in the country anymore by making her life hell .... that is just a pimping scenarion and the pimp being friendly is nothing but a wolf in sheep's clothes.

[ksteve]

The real question to see if indeed is an agency type girl, like the ones in UK, or just being pimped modern style is: how easy can a girl (that makes a lot of money, as someone who doesn't will be asked to leave anyway) be allowed to leave if she wants to became later an independent escort?

Friendly departure, "thank you for your time", yes, this is an agency that acted as an employer / facilitator.
Death treats, extorsion, blackmail, beatings, ensuring she cannot work in the country anymore by making her life hell .... that is just a pimping scenarion and the pimp being friendly is nothing but a wolf in sheep's clothes.

Yes Amy, thats a good point but unfortunately guys do not have access to this type of information. When guys show an interest in the particular girls circumstances, he is told thats a no go area.

Ruhama and the likes have blurred this ' trafficking ' issue. If a girl, of her own free will, makes a choice to work as an escort on the basis that an agency or group of individuals organise tours, accommodation etc,etc for her in return for a percentage of her earnings, are there any circumstances where that free choice can be considered ' trafficked ' ?