Barmen not guilty

[bhoywonder]

Justice done, I am glad the two men were acquited. The DPP should have known full well that the case was never going to stick. I know there is a law there that they were supposed to have broken, but I don't think it can ever be proven in a court of law whether or not a person was fit to be served drink. We all have different tolerance levels - I know a man who drank over half a dozen whiskeys and still passed the breathalizer test. The same amount of drink would put someone else in a coma. There is no legal definition of drunkenness, it's all a matter of opinion whether any of us think someone can or can't handle more.

All the attention has focused on the barmen. What about the dead man's friends who were content to leave him in a heap on the floor of a pub? Should they not have seen to it that he was taken home and put into his own bed? Should they not have told him that slamming 8 shots on his head after a heap of pints was not a good idea in the first place?

When all is said and done, personal responsibility has to come into it. People know the potential effects on their behaviour of too much drink and should accept the potential consequences. Some who goes out and gets shitfaced with full prior knowledge of what they are about to do can't really blame others for the fallout.

i think he was drinking alone and got chatting to a bunch of lads in the bar. thats when the 'bet' happened

[City Gent]

that makes no sense. surely if someone is charged with rape and they are found not guilty then the conclusion is that they did not commit the crime in the first place

That's what I said, but what BIGTYM said was if these two were found not guilty no one else could be found guilty of the same offence.

i think what BIGTYm is saying that here a precedent has been created. this arguement could be made in a similar case.

That's what I said, but every case is tried on it's own merits.

btw, it was found that neither manager or barman had any specific training to deal with such a situation, so maybe it is the hotels fault for not having adequaely trained their staff?

That's what I said, now this case has highlighted the matter ALL bar staff will now be aware of the risks in serving obviously drunken people more drink.

Let's hope all licensed premises train and make aware all their staff of their legal responsibilities now.
CG

[City Gent]

Justice done, I am glad the two men were acquited. The DPP should have known full well that the case was never going to stick. I know there is a law there that they were supposed to have broken, but I don't think it can ever be proven in a court of law whether or not a person was fit to be served drink. We all have different tolerance levels - I know a man who drank over half a dozen whiskeys and still passed the breathalizer test. The same amount of drink would put someone else in a coma. There is no legal definition of drunkenness, it's all a matter of opinion whether any of us think someone can or can't handle more.

All the attention has focused on the barmen. What about the dead man's friends who were content to leave him in a heap on the floor of a pub? Should they not have seen to it that he was taken home and put into his own bed? Should they not have told him that slamming 8 shots on his head after a heap of pints was not a good idea in the first place?

When all is said and done, personal responsibility has to come into it. People know the potential effects on their behaviour of too much drink and should accept the potential consequences. Some who goes out and gets shitfaced with full prior knowledge of what they are about to do can't really blame others for the fallout.

That has to be the best fact-less load of bollix I have ever read on this forum.


CG

[Sexy Sandy 69]

I've been out with mates & got totally smashed, I've known I was drunk but that never stopped me pouring more alcholol down my neck, I've regretted it more times than I want to remember in the morning, but it was still my choice to consume more drink, nobody ever forced me to drink.

The same scenerio could apply to hen & stag do's, the sole reason of hen & stags do's is to get plastered & get a stinking a hangover, nobody goes on one to read poetry. People go out wanting & intending to get drunk, where does the responsiblity end?

Sandy x

[monster_monster]

I've been out with mates & got totally smashed, I've known I was drunk but that never stopped me pouring more alcholol down my neck, I've regretted it more times than I want to remember in the morning, but it was still my choice to consume more drink, nobody ever forced me to drink.

The same scenerio could apply to hen & stag do's, the sole reason of hen & stags do's is to get plastered & get a stinking a hangover, nobody goes on one to read poetry. People go out wanting & intending to get drunk, where does the responsiblity end?

Sandy x

nope, the sole reason is to meet escorts in strange far off lands

[Sexy Sandy 69]

nope, the sole reason is to meet escorts in strange far off lands

I stand corrected lol.

Sandy x

[warmcome]

firstly i wish to thank our new courts correspondent, BIGTYM who
will go to all lengths to get the story to his public.

i would blame alcohol and alcohol culture for this tragedy. 'less is more'
would be my attitude toward all intoxicants.

the barman stated that the cocktail (served in a pint glass) was intended for
several people-but why no jug or array of glasses? because this was a lie.

it would be stretching this to convict as manslaughter. it was business
putting profit before people, it was negligent. there may be grounds for
a civil case. RIP.

[City Gent]

nope, the sole reason is to meet escorts in strange far off lands

What like Cork?


CG

[bhoywonder]

i think what BIGTYm is saying that here a precedent has been created. this arguement could be made in a similar case.

That's what I said, but every case is tried on it's own merits.

its like in the padraic mcnally case, it set a precedent for similar future cases to be judged by. im no lawyer (acutally im a barmanb ) but i can imagine that there are many lawyers thinking how this ruling cvan be used in future personal liablility cases
btw, it was found that neither manager or barman had any specific training to deal with such a situation, so maybe it is the hotels fault for not having adequaely trained their staff?

That's what I said, now this case has highlighted the matter ALL bar staff will now be aware of the risks in serving obviously drunken people more drink.

well the case may make barstaff aware but its still their employers responsibility to make sure that they are adequately trained up. mind you, i think in this instant they could have used their own common sense and not served him.

sorry citygent...i dont seem to have the same skill in quoting other posts as you!!

[TiffanyTees]

I've been out with mates & got totally smashed, I've known I was drunk but that never stopped me pouring more alcholol down my neck, I've regretted it more times than I want to remember in the morning, but it was still my choice to consume more drink, nobody ever forced me to drink.

The same scenerio could apply to hen & stag do's, the sole reason of hen & stags do's is to get plastered & get a stinking a hangover, nobody goes on one to read poetry. People go out wanting & intending to get drunk, where does the responsiblity end?

Sandy x

Now then Sandy those where the days, we will have to do it again sometime soon.

Tiff ( oYo )