Indies Vs Pimped...

[Lucy Chambers]

No I acknowledge the word pimp is a person that controls Escorts, but it’s the play on the word CONTROL and the attitude that all pimps are dirty bastards slapping poor defenseless young girls to work 18 hours a day for only a glass of water and a slice of stale bread.

There can be nice pimps too. I could be a nice pimp….lol.

Control is many things. As is manipulation. But given the choice, as a female, ask yourself one question..What would you want?

Nobody wants to be a battery chicken, mon cheri. You would be a terrible pimp. You would interfere with the merchandise

[carlos marvado]

Make your way to Dublin and directions to a clean apt, somewhere in Ireland will be provided.
Clean linen and towels will be provided
Accommodation will be free of charge as will all other bills.
Dealing with EI as in advertising fees, change of locations all handled,
Phone will be answered and client directed to your apt, (so no language problem)
Security will be nearby if needed.

Going by that description (if what they are saying is true), it pretty well sums up an agency operation. If there is no coercion or force and the escort can leave when she has had enough then I see that as an agency set up rather then a pimp situation.

[Lucy Chambers]

Going by that description (if what they are saying is true), it pretty well sums up an agency operation. If there is no coercion or force and the escort can leave when she has had enough then I see that as an agency set up rather then a pimp situation.

But thats the problem with definitions then, because in the eyes of the law, both are pimp situations.


I found a bit of a tale about an agency in England, for any one interested. Its from a public warning board, so I have removed certain details.

''I found **************** a website advertsing glamour modeling, then as you click through you find a link onto a very cheap but decentish looking escort site. I called the number and to my surprise a man answered, I asked if he was looking for any new girls yes he replied. He gave me his email addy and we spoke alot on msn, he went on cam and started to go on about how he is a millionare and that he runs a porn business (this is true!).

Anyway we finally met and I had arranged to stay for only one day, he managed to talk me into staying for a few days and said that he had a liking for me as I reminded him of his ex wife....I felt a bit strange when he said that but he took me out EVERY night for posh meals in fancy restuarants, he promised me a free ad in the local paper if I came back and stayed a whole week.

When I left after 3 days, I was bombarded with texts asking why I wasnt missing him etc....(He knew I had a fiance but continued to hassle me). I returned and stayed for the week while my ad in the paper was up...thats when it got even more wierd.

He became very controlling, treating me like his mistress, telling people I was his daughter and for me to call him daddy, continuously asking for me to sleep in his bed, making me do his washing, help him do DIY and constantly had a go at me for speaking on the phone wrong, or if I didnt wake up early enough. He even asked me to put up an add on AW for him as his fantasy was for a women to pimp him out.

While I was there he put an ad up on AW for me with pictures he had taken professionaly of myself (he is a photographer as well). I will come back to this point in a minute.

Anyway enough was enough when he refused to let me go home to my fiance. I text my fiance in secret asking if he could come pick me up at midnight. I told this man that my fiance was taking em out to dinner and I would be back early hours of the morning.
I got home and switched my phone off, not wanting to speak to him untill I had a decent nights sleep.

I switched my phone on in the morning and was bombarded with threats that he knew what I was planning because I was stupid enough to leave my phone around him (hinting that he had gone through my phone). If i didnt contact him asap with a decent explanation there would be serious consequences.

I reported this straight to the police, but as it wasnt a direct threat they couldnt do anything.
Then he text again telling me i've messed with the wrong person. I told police again, this time they cautioned him.

Then as I thought things where dying down I thought I would get onto adultwork and set up a new profile, but realised he had put my pictures up on his group advertising me as being an underage esort who shouldnt be booked. I told aw and they took the pictures down as I hadnt consented it but stupidly as I had sighned a model realese form, there was nothing I could do when he put them up again....

I also want to add he posted up MY CONACT DETAILS SUCH AS MY MOTHERS HOME ADDRESS, fiance's name and my FULL REAL name on his own website so there was nothing I could do for it to be taken down other than to contact the Internet watch foundation who said they have spoken to him but he just got aggresive.

Well he continued to try and call me constantly after, so I the contacted police for the 5th time (I have a 50page log on this guy) and they have given him an official harrasment warning.

BUT IT HASNT ENDED THERE.

He has now accused me of stealing off him but the police havent taken it seriously, they have not interviewed me yet on this subject and I am still waiting to hear from them.

Please girls be careful of this guy and don't put yourself into this stupid situation like I did, my whole life has been taken over by this guy''

[Bruno69]

I've been trying to reply for a while but getting server not responding.

Lucy, that's a shocking story. All I want is to understand who I am dealing with so I can make an informed decision and not support cunts like that.

I'm sure some of the 'independent' girls I've seen are not 100% independent and I , like others want to understand the business better, because ladies, believe it or not, we care!

And if there is a cleaner agency situation prevalent, let's hear about it at least.

[carlos marvado]

But thats the problem with definitions then, because in the eyes of the law, both are pimp situations.

The law lumps a lot of people into the same boat......."living off the immoral earnings of a prostitute" could include:

- a pimp
- an agency (both of these could also be done for controlling and directing the activities of an escort)
- a person knowingly renting a premises/hotel room to an escort (could also be done for allowing the place to be used as a brothel if 2 or more escorts were there)
- a receptionist working for an independent escort
- a security man/driver working for an independent escort

So while the law might not distinguish, I think escorts and clients would distinguish for example between a pimp, who is probably coercing or manipulating an escort to work for him, and a telephonist or security man/driver, who's services are engaged by an escort.


The example that you quoted in that post reads like a very nasty and malicious control freak who has absolutely no respect for woman and just wants them to be subject to his will. Has features of pimp written all over it in the way he was trying to manipulate and control her, but then a pimp is essentially a bully who bullies people for financial gain.

[JAMESCORK]

You know Luce, there are always the bad luck stories and they make riveting reading. Much more entertaining than the “good luck”/”everything worked out a dream” type of stories. You can get some great stories form the old newspaper clippings where girls were treated a lot worse. Please don’t think for a second that I am trying to play down the seriousness of these cases I am not…..

Carlos has raised a good point, the services provided by the Pimps, as described to me, are more leaning towards an Agency than a pimp. But the girls in the game, that I have spoken to, use the word Pimp. Maybe this is a misleading term then, and as I have suggested before, maybe we need a middle of the road term, somewhere between Pimps and Agencies. I like ‘Escorts Assistant’ (cos I made it up..lol). And remember it has been put forward that 50 of girls working here work under this category. I think I would like a more precise statistic on this. Is 50% an exaggeration or an underestimation?…

[dave1dave]

Wow that's certainly a cautionary tale, an extreme one I hope.

I want to ask though, do these "Company/Agency" whatever you want to call them, actually serve a purpose ? As a means for an escort who wouldn't have been able to otherwise, to become an independent ?
I wonder if any escorts come over under these circumstances, see how the industry operates, establishes herself by means of forums ect, and realise they can do it independently. Finish their tour or whatever amount of time they have agreed to stay and go home to return as an independent.
Are they a means to an end for some ?

[Lucy Chambers]

Wow that's certainly a cautionary tale, an extreme one I hope.

I want to ask though, do these "Company/Agency" whatever you want to call them, actually serve a purpose ? As a means for an escort who wouldn't have been able to otherwise, to become an independent ?
I wonder if any escorts come over under these circumstances, see how the industry operates, establishes herself by means of forums ect, and realise they can do it independently. Finish their tour or whatever amount of time they have agreed to stay and go home to return as an independent.
Are they a means to an end for some ?

They are of course, everyone has to start somewhere. Hopefully you find a reasonable one, but not all are, by any means. Besides, I have a theory that most of these new ladies are being sent by their home agencies to Ireland, which would be a whole different ball game. I wouldn't like to comment on agency practises in somewhere like Romania, for example.

[carlos marvado]

This seems to be the hot thread for debate today. While a few escorts have made contributions, Lucy is the only one who is really active on this one. Can we have some more escorts contributing with their thoughts and/or experiences on this topic please.

[Lucy Chambers]

You know Luce, there are always the bad luck stories and they make riveting reading. Much more entertaining than the “good luck”/”everything worked out a dream” type of stories. You can get some great stories form the old newspaper clippings where girls were treated a lot worse. Please don’t think for a second that I am trying to play down the seriousness of these cases I am not…..

Carlos has raised a good point, the services provided by the Pimps, as described to me, are more leaning towards an Agency than a pimp. But the girls in the game, that I have spoken to, use the word Pimp. Maybe this is a misleading term then, and as I have suggested before, maybe we need a middle of the road term, somewhere between Pimps and Agencies. I like ‘Escorts Assistant’ (cos I made it up..lol). And remember it has been put forward that 50 of girls working here work under this category. I think I would like a more precise statistic on this. Is 50% an exaggeration or an underestimation?…

Misleading term or too close to an uncomfortable truth? I'm not sure. A driver is not quite the same as a procurer, but that is by the by.