User cjf...

[carlos marvado]

an escort and timewasters is like a fisherman and rain. Both are unavoidable and both are going to get wet

One of the brilliant quotes on this website. It brings up so many images: the sea, the moist damp climatic conditions under which the fisherman toils for little recompense, the fish themselves - their texture, how they feel, smell and taste, the woman waiting patiently (or not so patiently) for the man who fails to cum - he's on the rocks and nothing will lift his boat...........he should have taken up watersports instead of fishing.

But on a serious note..........for once says you, we can take two lessons from Anna's posts:

1. Kelly is a clairvoyant and knows who is a genuine client before they have even shown up, but has missed out on either talking to, taking bookings or actually seeing these genuine clients because of all the time wasters who have made fake bookings with her........but why then did'nt Kelly see the time wasters for what they were.

2. The Minister for Social, Community and Family Affairs should take note that a single person can live on €40 per week excluding accommodation costs. Therefore, in the case of single unemployed persons living at home or also in the case of unemployed married persons living with a spouse who is in employment, great savings can be made in unemployment benefits and also in pension payments in the next budget.

Anna, the tax payers of Ireland salute you.......but I doubt that other escorts will, as they're always complaining about the high cost of living here.

[Forrest]

My point was toe xpress that everyone should be entitled to his/her opinion and that people shouldnt be consistently attacked for the way they are or for expressing their opinions.

Now please try to understand the difference.
When you get messed around what happens? You will waste about an hour a moth/week depending on how often you punt and you get to keep your 150e - 250e depending on which escort wasted your time.
Now lets see whta happens when an escort gets messed around like Kelly did on the begining of this thread.
She would get about FIVE timewasters a DAY, losing between 500e and 800e ( depending of how much the escort charges) having about 200e daily expenses on tour and I could go on. The balance is a wasted FULL day and -200e.
I hope the difference between those 2 situations is clear now.

You have your responsibility for chosing an unreliable escort. But how did the reliable escorts deserve to get this crap?

Forrest you are one of the nicest guys here and I find your posts always very spot on and I really hope you and others will understand this issue better now.

I understand perfectly the frustrations that escorts feel with the timewasting 'clients', especially the touring ladies who stay in short-term accomodation which is more expensive, and the travel costs etc etc. In a perfect world, everyone would do what was expected of them, when it was expected of them, with a happy demeanour and we would all live happily ever after.

I admire your desire to stand up for your friend Kelly, and I know from talking to other escorts over the last 6 months that business has dropped, while their expenses have remained the same, or increased in some areas.
I know, from reading comments by punters, that there seem to be a lot of timewasting escorts also. I have been lucky that it hasn't happened too often, and when it does it's frustrating. So I can imagine how frustrating it can be for the escorts when it happens to them on a daily basis.

I have always considered constructive debate/discussion, that doesn't degenerate into mudslinging, to be worthwhile. But, in a faceless environment like the internet, you will always get criticism, no matter what you say. I would love more escorts to join in the threads on the boards because, in all the encounters I have had, it's the ones with ladies that I have engaged in chat on the forum that have usually been the best.

So, guys, try not to be so nasty when an escort actually tells it like it is, so more ladies would feel 'safer' posting comments, without fear of an onslaught of abuse, just because you don't like what they say.

[JAMESCORK]

As i said in the first post - I don't mind much being timewasted as I'm not touring and I can deal with it being one of the most expensive escorts here. So one appointment covers my expenses ( jealous now ;-) No big deal for me, so please allow me to continue escorting. Please, please, please...

What i deal harder with is when I am deceived like I was with cjf - frankly when someone is taking the piss..
But what I cannot deal with at all is when this is happening to my friends who's nature of work is much different to mine as they are touring and they do charge much less. That really pisses me off. I'd expect same reaction from you guys. But then again - how naive can I be..

I thought all this was clear in the first post so it's hard for me to undersatnd how it could turn into an attack on my occupation. Unless of course someone here has an axe to grind...

You are singling out an individual again. I don’t see how this guy deceived you. He gave you an hours notice not 2 minutes. Any call that comes in in that hour could have filled your cancellation. If he decides to see another escort that’s his biz.

But here is what I call DECEIT. Having made an appointment for a given time possibly in a town many miles away, ringing halfway through you journey to no answer, arriving 15 mins before again to no answer. Ringing up to half hour after again to no answer. Going back home dejected. Next day read review from guy date and time of your appointment. That’s deceit.

Time wasting to You or any escort only occurs when you have two clients wanting to see you at the same time. Otherwise your times is not wasted. If you experience a lot of this double appointment scenario, you can explain that you have another booking at that time and if he doesn’t arrive you could contact the second to say you are free. Then by communicating with both up to the time will minimize wasted time. Also if this is the case a lot, you are so busy with bookings that you are doing damn well in this climate. .

[MILF Hunter]

I understand perfectly the frustrations that escorts feel with the timewasting 'clients', especially the touring ladies who stay in short-term accomodation which is more expensive, and the travel costs etc etc. In a perfect world, everyone would do what was expected of them, when it was expected of them, with a happy demeanour and we would all live happily ever after.

I admire your desire to stand up for your friend Kelly, and I know from talking to other escorts over the last 6 months that business has dropped, while their expenses have remained the same, or increased in some areas.
I know, from reading comments by punters, that there seem to be a lot of timewasting escorts also. I have been lucky that it hasn't happened too often, and when it does it's frustrating. So I can imagine how frustrating it can be for the escorts when it happens to them on a daily basis.

I have always considered constructive debate/discussion, that doesn't degenerate into mudslinging, to be worthwhile. But, in a faceless environment like the internet, you will always get criticism, no matter what you say. I would love more escorts to join in the threads on the boards because, in all the encounters I have had, it's the ones with ladies that I have engaged in chat on the forum that have usually been the best.

So, guys, try not to be so nasty when an escort actually tells it like it is, so more ladies would feel 'safer' posting comments, without fear of an onslaught of abuse, just because you don't like what they say.

Forrest

[Forrest]

Only now I recollect what was the situation about. There was a punter who also got time-wasted by the same lady as you did and his comment was that he never ever wasted anybodys time. Accusedly the thruth was that he didn't show up for an apointmnet with me in the back then recent history which I couldnt help but remind him as to date I never heard a word of excuse from him.
Note my sensibility about this topic and not naming him as I think it's too an old matter to digg into.

In that situation, I had recommended that lady to him, and he got stood up. If he didn't turn up for an appointment he made with you, and didn't let you know that he couldn't make it, that's a surprise as he seemed like a genuine, decent guy from his comments on the board and the pm's we exchanged.
Thanks for not naming him now.

[luther]

I have to admit you never fail to amaze me and I admire your sales tactics.

You obviously don't pay Escort-Ireland any money to advertise, yet you still can generate sales by posting controversial posts.

If it's not guys shitting on your sheets it's about no shows.

Sorry Smarty, but before I comment on anything else on this thread, this is bullshit and just another reason escorts don't post more on this forum..........

If they're not in trouble for expresssing an opinion or pointing out a problem or problems they are having, they're being accused as using it as an excuse to advertise.............

Absolute bullshit, I don't know other mods views on this, but I for one won't put up with this kind of shit any longer..........

I think it was Elle that was accused of starting a thread just to advertise her tour in her sig a while ago too.......

Well I can tell you now, cut this shit out...............

If you don't like someones posts, put them on ignore................

If you don't like their sig, I think there might be a setting for that too............

If you don't like the subject matter of a thread then don't read the fucking thing.............

Nobody is being forced to read anything here..................

Fuck..................

Thanks for putting me in a bad mood already...............

[Notatwork]

We are all big boys&Girls here,nothing but abit of banter on this thread,and all you get is a bunch of wingers,if you cant stand abit of heat.............

is it any wonder that most of the ladies dont post!... Jesus!!!! if they speak there mind they are challenged on every word and are almost hounded from the Boards...

if you dont like what a ladie has to say fine... but there are ways to express that without being nasty or turning it into a witch hunt!...

come on guys think about it.. any escort who see's this thread is probably thinking why bother posting if thats what you get from the members...

you either want ladies to post or you dont.... but this dosent help to encourage them...

Captain J...

[Forrest]

You are singling out an individual again. I don’t see how this guy deceived you. He gave you an hours notice not 2 minutes. Any call that comes in in that hour could have filled your cancellation. If he decides to see another escort that’s his biz.

James, your point about 'deceit' is very well made. There is a saying, two wrongs don't make a right. The timewasting punters make escorts paranoid and frustrated, and the timewasting escorts make punters angry.

The big booboo from cjf's perspective is that he contacted Anna to say that he was cancelling as he had to go to a meeting. It was, admittedly, a white lie, as he was meeting another escort. But, he compounded it by writing a review and Anna saw the review, and was pissed off.
Imagine,you have a date with a girl, and she rings you up an hour before to say she can't make it because her Granny is sick in hospital, then later in the evening you see her in a club with another guy. You will be pissed off. Escorts have feelings too, even though it's a business, and to have their noses rubbed in it with the review of the other escort was, in Anna's case, too much. Other escorts would have kept quiet, but Anna cannot change who she is, and I for one, wouldn't want her to.

[Derry lad]

Pity the escorts couldn't get together and nominate a spokesperson that would issue a statement or something to air grievences, worrys, concerns in a constructive way. Then maybe us clients could take these on board and react positively to them.

And maybe if the escorts interacted on these various threads a bit more like Elle for example, then we would have a friendly enviroment with good banter and then maybe the escort/client relationship would be better with more trust and more business for the escorts.

Generally the only time u get the escorts on here is when a thread concerns or threatens their earnings. It gives a negative vibe and creates an "us and them" situation. Maybe a team building exercise in the Cairn Gorms ?!

[Forrest]

Pity the escorts couldn't get together and nominate a spokesperson that would issue a statement or something to air grievences, worrys, concerns in a constructive way. Then maybe us clients could take these on board and react positively to them.

And maybe if the escorts interacted on these various threads a bit more like Elle for example, then we would have a friendly enviroment with good banter and then maybe the escort/client relationship would be better with more trust and more business for the escorts.

Generally the only time u get the escorts on here is when a thread concerns or threatens their earnings. It gives a negative vibe and creates an "us and them" situation. Maybe a team building exercise in the Cairn Gorms ?!

Great idea DerryLad. A few night manouevres wouldn't go amiss either.