Again Anna who is attacking your occupation? all I am saying is that any job has its downsides, messers is one of this jobs downsides and there is nothing anyone can do about it so why get stressed over things you cannot control? why give them the satifaction of letting them know it bugs you? they are reading all this and probably now have you on speed dial as they know it bugs you. I have no axe to grind but as it happens my real one is always sharp and ready for use as its part of the tools of one of my trades, which also have there downsides but I am not on lumberjacks.net complaining about them as if the downsides bugged me that much I would change jobs.