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[Airbusdriver]

QUOTE=Airbusdriver;3904663]So your response is to hurl insults. That's really unhelpful in any debate. Nothing justifys the Hamas horror attack on innocent people. Nothing. If you can't respect other people's views then best not to comment here.

Can anyone point out where I hurled an insult?.[/QUOTE]

You accuse somebody of being ok with genocide, which is an abhorrent insult. I'm not sure, but I thought there are moderator rules on this site!

[Notabot]

Can anyone point out where I hurled an insult?.

You accuse somebody of being ok with genocide, which is an abhorrent insult. I'm not sure, but I thought there are moderator rules on this site![/QUOTE]

No it's not an insult. It an observation based on the fact you are siding with Israel in this conflict. Israel who have stated they will lay siege to Gaza, cutting off water, electricity, and food from Gaza population, in preparation of a major invasion. Israel are bombing Gaza indiscriminately hitting many civilian targets and it's mobilising hundreds of thousands of reservists for an all out invasion. Everything about what Israel is doing is genocide. If you support Israel you are supporting genocide. The fact you find it insulting I say that just shows you know it's wrong but yet you still support Israel. Ive many many many insults for someone like you. But this site isn't the place to use them.

[TheNightShift]

I understand this is a heated and very delicate subject and I'm happy to have space for debate
However I will not be able to allow provocation, insulting or offensive remarks.

Keep it Civil

Julie

[Airbusdriver]

You accuse somebody of being ok with genocide, which is an abhorrent insult. I'm not sure, but I thought there are moderator rules on this site!

No it's not an insult. It an observation based on the fact you are siding with Israel in this conflict. Israel who have stated they will lay siege to Gaza, cutting off water, electricity, and food from Gaza population, in preparation of a major invasion. Israel are bombing Gaza indiscriminately hitting many civilian targets and it's mobilising hundreds of thousands of reservists for an all out invasion. Everything about what Israel is doing is genocide. If you support Israel you are supporting genocide. The fact you find it insulting I say that just shows you know it's wrong but yet you still support Israel. Ive many many many insults for someone like you. But this site isn't the place to use them.[/QUOTE]

Once again, you resort to accusations and insults. For your info, I do not 'side' with Israel. You should refrain from making assumptions about people. I do however fully believe Israel has a right to defend itself from the savages in Hamas. The attack on Saturday was completely and utterly unjustified and carried out by an unelected mob who incidentally treat women and minority groups with contempt. I'm am not going to play a tennis type debate over and back with you, you are not going to change my views and I doubt if I will change yours, so I'll leave it there.

[Notabot]

No it's not an insult. It an observation based on the fact you are siding with Israel in this conflict. Israel who have stated they will lay siege to Gaza, cutting off water, electricity, and food from Gaza population, in preparation of a major invasion. Israel are bombing Gaza indiscriminately hitting many civilian targets and it's mobilising hundreds of thousands of reservists for an all out invasion. Everything about what Israel is doing is genocide. If you support Israel you are supporting genocide. The fact you find it insulting I say that just shows you know it's wrong but yet you still support Israel. Ive many many many insults for someone like you. But this site isn't the place to use them.

Once again, you resort to accusations and insults. For your info, I do not 'side' with Israel. You should refrain from making assumptions about people. I do however fully believe Israel has a right to defend itself from the savages in Hamas. The attack on Saturday was completely and utterly unjustified and carried out by an unelected mob who incidentally treat women and minority groups with contempt. I'm am not going to play a tennis type debate over and back with you, you are not going to change my views and I doubt if I will change yours, so I'll leave it there.[/QUOTE]

What about Palestine right to defend itself?. I agree there attack on Sunday was wrong and I very much hope that all those involved are held accountable. But let's be honest something like this has been coming. Israel has been killing Palestinian people for decades without consequences. Every act of terror by Israel in Gaza breds more Hamas soldiers and unlike Israel they don't have planes, tanks and a modern military.
If Israel wants to "defend" itself then it can build a more secure border and no longer take what doesn't belong to them. Besieging Gaza, cutting off all food, water, electricity, carpet bombing Gaza and planning a full on invasion isn't defending Israel it's genocide of the Palestinian people.

[IAmLIAm]

How does Israel see this ending?. For how many decades has Israel pushed themselves further and further in Gaza by force? Killing men, women and children. Evicting families and bulldozing towns and moving in their own settlers?. Israel has, warplanes, gunships, tanks, APC, a modern well equipped army everything needed to keep the Palestinian people or "animals" as the Israeli government called them locked up and retreating further and further back into Gaza. Israel are literally committing genocide, is it any wonder Hama's want to wipe out Israel when Israel is literally wiping out the Palestinian people.
Israel doesn't want peace any more than Hama's and you'd be very Foolish to believe otherwise. This needs to end with Israeli forces out of gaze and a neutral zone set up guarded by UN peacekeepers. But that won't happen because the Israel don't want UN intervention and it's big brother America will ensure the UN won't get involved allowing Israel to do what ever it likes.

This won't happen because it is in direct opposition to The Covenant of the Hamas. If the UN established a neutral zone then Hamas would attack the UN peacekeepers. The goal isn't to be left alone, it's to free the land from the infidels (that is not mockery or slander, that is the stated purpose). I'm not saying either side is right (this is all some middle ages level bullshit with modern weaponry) but the group who only exists to exterminate the other presents a significantly greater risk to the general safety of the world (though it did seem to work out alright for Christianity once before).

So here's this forum in a nutshell:
If you support Israel you are pro genocide.
If you support Hamas you are pro genocide.
If you don't support Hamas but also aren't anti Israel you are pro genocide.
Seems we're all pro genocide (gold stickers all around)

[Marko1980]

This won't happen because it is in direct opposition to The Covenant of the Hamas. If the UN established a neutral zone then Hamas would attack the UN peacekeepers. The goal isn't to be left alone, it's to free the land from the infidels (that is not mockery or slander, that is the stated purpose). I'm not saying either side is right (this is all some middle ages level bullshit with modern weaponry) but the group who only exists to exterminate the other presents a significantly greater risk to the general safety of the world (though it did seem to work out alright for Christianity once before).

So here's this forum in a nutshell:
If you support Israel you are pro genocide.
If you support Hamas you are pro genocide.
If you don't support Hamas but also aren't anti Israel you are pro genocide.
Seems we're all pro genocide (gold stickers all around)

I know you are being sarcastic but youre doing what most people are who are watching this situation.
You are conflating the population of Palestine with Hamas.

There are almost 5 million people in Palestine, there are 30k members of Hamas according to the IDF.
This is common though, there was a time when normal law abiding catholics in the North were branded as IRA.

Terrorism gains popularity and appeal when ordinary decent people are brutalised and have their human and civil rights taken away from them.
If the ordinary people of Palestine get their rights, then it doesnt matter what Hamas want from an extremist point of view in the Covenant of the Hamas, they slowly get starved of oxygen.
They definitely do not go away but they lose a lot of support and they dont radicalise new members easily

Oppression is a breeding ground for terrorism.
This thread started with a revisionist observation of what was going on.
Noone here is pro-Hamas, they are just highlighting nuance in the situation.

[Marko1980]

No it's not an insult. It an observation based on the fact you are siding with Israel in this conflict. Israel who have stated they will lay siege to Gaza, cutting off water, electricity, and food from Gaza population, in preparation of a major invasion. Israel are bombing Gaza indiscriminately hitting many civilian targets and it's mobilising hundreds of thousands of reservists for an all out invasion. Everything about what Israel is doing is genocide. If you support Israel you are supporting genocide. The fact you find it insulting I say that just shows you know it's wrong but yet you still support Israel. Ive many many many insults for someone like you. But this site isn't the place to use them.

Once again, you resort to accusations and insults. For your info, I do not 'side' with Israel. You should refrain from making assumptions about people. I do however fully believe Israel has a right to defend itself from the savages in Hamas. The attack on Saturday was completely and utterly unjustified and carried out by an unelected mob who incidentally treat women and minority groups with contempt. I'm am not going to play a tennis type debate over and back with you, you are not going to change my views and I doubt if I will change yours, so I'll leave it there.[/QUOTE]

This shouldnt be offensive.
Do you belief its right for a state military to intentionally bomb civilian areas in response to those atrocious terrorist attacks?
And the people who had no part to play in them?

The Geneva convention has something to say about that.

[Stephanie]

Once again, you resort to accusations and insults. For your info, I do not 'side' with Israel. You should refrain from making assumptions about people. I do however fully believe Israel has a right to defend itself from the savages in Hamas. The attack on Saturday was completely and utterly unjustified and carried out by an unelected mob who incidentally treat women and minority groups with contempt. I'm am not going to play a tennis type debate over and back with you, you are not going to change my views and I doubt if I will change yours, so I'll leave it there.

This shouldnt be offensive.
Do you belief its right for a state military to intentionally bomb civilian areas in response to those atrocious terrorist attacks?
And the people who had no part to play in them?

The Geneva convention has something to say about that.

Just fixing quotes

[Bruce 4play]

Excellent thread with some very informative posts.

My view is, if you attack and kill over 1200 people without warning then you put yourself in the firing line for retaliation regardless of whatever happened prior to the event.