D-day

[ber]

When the farming industry is in tatters and EU turn a blind eye to it ,come back and speak then.

A prosperous future?

LOL
Westside.

Well until we joined the Eu our farming industry was prehistoric
we now export between 85 and 90% of our total agricultural produce to EU COUNTRIES
so ure telling me that to go forward with agriculture we can afford to be shunned by the EU
The facts are that u cannot cover the cost of production of Agricultural produce,produced
in Ireland if its sold for world market prices.As a farmer if we were not in the Eu i could
not make a living from farming,thats a fact its not even up for debate as we only consume
about 10% of what we produce domestically ,the rest has to be exported. If not to the Eu,
u tell me where. When im in trouble cant see ukip or coir or ganley bailing me out.
Lets call a spade a spade what u have on the no side are a bunch of misfits

[Westsidex]

Well until we joined the Eu our farming industry was prehistoric
we now export between 85 and 90% of our total agricultural produce to EU COUNTRIES
so ure telling me that to go forward with agriculture we can afford to be shunned by the EU
The facts are that u cannot cover the cost of production of Agricultural produce,produced
in Ireland if its sold for world market prices.As a farmer if we were not in the Eu i could
not make a living from farming,thats a fact its not even up for debate as we only consume
about 10% of what we produce domestically ,the rest has to be exported. If not to the Eu,
u tell me where. When im in trouble cant see ukip or coir or ganley bailing me out.
Lets call a spade a spade what u have on the no side are a bunch of misfits

from whats happened to fisheries and the neglect of our domestic industry i think farming will suffer under anymore EU ruling.Remember in everything we hit a point of poor return.

Time will tell,
Westside.

[ber]

from whats happened to fisheries and the neglect of our domestic industry i think farming will suffer under anymore EU ruling.Remember in everything we hit a point of poor return.

Time will tell,
Westside.

Well without the Eu the question wouldnt even arise,as the industry would be long gone,as for the fisheries the fishing organisations will even admit that we didnt have to funds
domestically to develop our fishing industry without Eu help so its catch 22. Nearly all the
developments in Irish fishing were Eu grant aided trawler purchase ,proccessing plants etc
Anyway the fishing industry is facing a totally different problem worldwide which is overfishing
there just aint enough fish to go round,and Eu fishing restrictions can only help this long term
whereas a free for all will see very popular species such as cod totallt wiped out in the short to
medium term

[westcorklad]

Whichever way you decide to vote make sure you get out and use your vote.
As was stated on another thread yesterday if you dont vote then you have no right to complain about the outcome of this referendum.

By the way I too have voted Yes

[Westsidex]

Well without the Eu the question wouldnt even arise,as the industry would be long gone,as for the fisheries the fishing organisations will even admit that we didnt have to funds
domestically to develop our fishing industry without Eu help so its catch 22. Nearly all the
developments in Irish fishing were Eu grant aided trawler purchase ,proccessing plants etc
Anyway the fishing industry is facing a totally different problem worldwide which is overfishing
there just aint enough fish to go round,and Eu fishing restrictions can only help this long term
whereas a free for all will see very popular species such as cod totallt wiped out in the short to
medium term

that i dont know enough about the fishing or farming industry to debate it.however i can comment on what i do know.We cant compare the EU of old with the prposed future EU.they are two completly different animals.

The EU is shaping up more and more all the time to be acollection of states controlled by a single EU goverment in Brussels with different members having differing levels of power.We have never and will never be big enought o have a say over the likes of Germany etc.

The EU is shaping up to being a very different EU to the one we joined.The old EU was about commuinities working together to form a common market.The new EU is about control and profit and greed lead by politicians.A gravy train so to speak where politicians will become less accountable.Makes no bones about it,its all about greed and control and at the expense of Democracy.

The Old EU = a single common market

The New EU = a dictatorship with excessive control over the common person.

Westside.

[ber]

that i dont know enough about the fishing or farming industry to debate it.however i can comment on what i do know.We cant compare the EU of old with the prposed future EU.they are two completly different animals.

The EU is shaping up more and more all the time to be acollection of states controlled by a single EU goverment in Brussels with different members having differing levels of power.We have never and will never be big enought o have a say over the likes of Germany etc.

The EU is shaping up to being a very different EU to the one we joined.The old EU was about commuinities working together to form a common market.The new EU is about control and profit and greed lead by politicians.A gravy train so to speak where politicians will become less accountable.Makes no bones about it,its all about greed and control and at the expense of Democracy.

The Old EU = a single common market

The New EU = a dictatorship with excessive control over the common person.

Westside.

There is much more accountability than ever before in for instance the Eu farm budget,it has to get a 98% clean bill of health from independent auditors now before being sanctioned
and it is meeting this target and exceeding it readily in most countries, if not u are fined,in Ireland we met the criteria almost 100% spain i think were the worst offenders and they were penalised
31 million i think, to be fair to her Fischler Boel has tightened things up alot

[Smarty]

Well until we joined the Eu our farming industry was prehistoric
we now export between 85 and 90% of our total agricultural produce to EU COUNTRIES
so ure telling me that to go forward with agriculture we can afford to be shunned by the EU
The facts are that u cannot cover the cost of production of Agricultural produce,produced
in Ireland if its sold for world market prices.As a farmer if we were not in the Eu i could
not make a living from farming,thats a fact its not even up for debate as we only consume
about 10% of what we produce domestically ,the rest has to be exported. If not to the Eu,
u tell me where. When im in trouble cant see ukip or coir or ganley bailing me out.
Lets call a spade a spade what u have on the no side are a bunch of misfits

We now import more potatoes than we produce !!!

[ber]

We now import more potatoes than we produce !!!

Well dont blame the Eu for that,the supermarkets are the cause of that because they are bringing
in cheap imports and farmers cant produce them at this cost,if ure not in the EU not a vegetable
would be produced in this country .If u want a race to the bottom go ahead source all ure produce on the world market leave the Eu and within 3 years u will have no Agriculture in this country.
It costs me 27 cent a litre to produce milk in NZ they make profit at 18 cent, do the math and
dont tell me cut costs,because i have no control over the weather,also if u want u can have
Brazilian beef for about 70% of the price because they have vast tracts of land with cattle
running over it,very low labour costs and absoloutely no tracebility, hormones and antibiotics
widely used so if thats the stuff u want to eat be my guest.Remember though when our
industry is gone we will be totally at supermarkets mercy,then watch the price rise

[Westsidex]

Well dont blame the Eu for that,the supermarkets are the cause of that because they are bringing

To the best of my knowledge we have being importing more potatoes than we produce for years.

Brazilian beef for about 70% of the price because they have vast tracts of land with cattle
running over it,very low labour costs and absoloutely no tracebility, hormones and antibiotics
widely used so if thats the stuff u want to eat be my guest.

Well i am of the believe that alot of farmers here are injecting hormones into animals to beef them up and therefore make more money.I see bullocks now the size of bulls.Way bigger than they were years ago.I see pigs that are enourmous.the cows are way fatter.The animals are just plain blown up like balloons.

I was walking my dog a few weeks back and went into a field and there was something standing staring at me.I had no idea if it was a bullock or a bull.It was that big.Huge.I later saw the same animal back with the rest of the herd.A bullock.It was enourmous and this is what they are lloking like these days.Way heavier than before.

Westside.

[luther]

I was going to vote yes but Westie, I think you have me nearly convinced........