Ukraine

[Forceuser]

None of the above. In short, you can’t comprehend my answers.

Yeah,that must be it. lol

[Westsidex]

The US are not helping things at all.

Westside

[Father]

I'm not but the amount a young men coming from Syria was disturbing. Where were their families? No such ambiguity with the Ukrainian people.

I did not mean to flippant.

Internment camps? Dead? Separated? Maybe they ended up like poor Alan Kurdi...I don't know. I think it may be harder to empathise with brown people in turbans or burkas though by the looks of it.
It's also worth noting that most men of "fighting age" don't want to or actually fight. Not in our history or presently. The reason Ukrainian men are not fleeing is because they are victims of their gender and not allowed to run. It was only 2000 odd people took part in the Easter rising here and most men were not actively killing people of the opposing political view here in the civil war either..unless conscripted most humans will choose anything but join the blood shedding and depravity.

[EdwardElizabethHitler]

The US are not helping things at all.

Westside

Was bound to happen. They have a puppet in power who should be in a nursing home. The gaffes are getting worse tbf.

[EdwardElizabethHitler]

The US are not helping things at all.

Westside

And then he made this gaffe also on the same day.

[Westsidex]

Wonder what way this would have went with the Bush administration in power? Not to mention Blair in the UK.

Westside

[Mrbean76]

[EdwardElizabethHitler]

Wonder what way this would have went with the Bush administration in power? Not to mention Blair in the UK.

Westside

[UnFulfilledScott]

The process for Ukraine's entry into the EU was slow because of issues with political corruption and an unstable democracy
due to the country being split more or less 50/50 between east/west leanings,not "infiltration by Nazis".
that aspect has been hugely overblown by Russian propaganda.

This is from the link that you posted

"When Russian-backed separatists rose up in the east of the country in 2014, Ukraine’s under-resourced military found itself outgunned and flatfooted. It was volunteer militias such as Azov and Right Sector – whose members included fighters drawn from the ultranationalist and far-right hooligan networks – that stepped into the breach, making a name for themselves in the fierce fighting for the city of Mariupol, and carving out a reputation as valiant defenders of the nation.

The Azov Battalion became formally incorporated into Ukraine’s National Guard in late 2014 as a result of its role in the conflict, bringing its extremists onto the government payroll under the auspices of the Interior Ministry. This gave the movement an unlikely degree of official legitimacy.

“They were transformed from basically a bunch of far-right thugs. That’s how they were seen before 2014: irrelevant numerically and politically,” said Kacper Rękawek, a postdoctoral fellow with the Center for Research on Extremism at the University of Oslo, who has researched Azov and the large numbers of foreign fighters, many of them right-wing extremists, drawn to fight on both sides of the conflict.
“Suddenly, they go from zero to hero.”


so basically Ukraine and the EU didn't consider them relevant before 2014,any further standing they gained was because
of desperation in the face of russia backed incursions,and now Russia would have you believe that Ukraine is mostly
made of fascists that they are there to destroy.
absolute bullshit propaganda that few are buying




Don't know,but i think that discussion deserves a thread of its own,not a sub category here

I don't think we should be downplaying the role of nazis or understating the levels of corruption in Ukraine.
Ukraine is one of those places where you don't survive - politically - unless you are corrupt.

</insert joke about Hunter Biden's laptop>

Are you aware that Victor Yushchenko's last act when he was headed out the door in 2010 at the end of his term was to officially recognize the murdering nazi sympathizer Stepan Bandera as a national hero?
That's a fair bit before the time frame you've provided.

[UnFulfilledScott]

You'd think with the 1.3 billion that Zelensky has in offshore accounts he'd be able to do this himself.