Ukraine

[Rachel Divine]

Some people think it's racist that we are so welcoming of Ukranian refugees compared to e.g African men. I don't think it's racism.

I know those refugees in Ireland are getting:
- 180 euro or so a week -
- free rooms
- free breakfast, lunch & dinner
- if they want to work fine, if not, fine again - the vast majority prefer not to work

[Forceuser]

You know that amount because you were told - news manipulated by USA.

I know - not from news - that hundreds ( not 160 ) of soldiers were passing through Romania during Covid - btw - why they were allowed to travel during lock down is a ''mystery''.

Also, Russia said NO WAR DRILL ON MY BORDERS ... I am sorry, is that not clean enough?! Not 160, not 50, not 1. If I was Putin I would have done the same. You too and anyone else by that matter but I suppose the lot is just blinded by the news and believe what is told in own country.

Don't give me that old chestnut of media manipulation,i consume plenty of information from non
mainstream sources aswell.
i also like to study history and what Russia is doing now is no different then what they have done in
other places like Georgia and Chechnya and there wasn't any american troops in those places to be blamed for it
there was no nato troops in Crimea when he invaded there either

First Russia said it was because NATO was encroaching
then it was to protect ethnic russians
then it was Nazis!
when someone continually changes their story it usually means they're lying.

and now finland,who has a large border with russia,has commited to join NATO
Is he going to invade them aswell?

[Rachel Divine]

Don't give me that old chestnut of media manipulation,i consume plenty of information from non
mainstream sources aswell.
i also like to study history and what Russia is doing now is no different then what they have done in
other places like Georgia and Chechnya and there wasn't any american troops in those places to be blamed for it
there was no nato troops in Crimea when he invaded there either

First Russia said it was because NATO was encroaching
then it was to protect ethnic russians
then it was Nazis!
when someone continually changes their story it usually means they're lying.

and now finland,who has a large border with russia,has commited to join NATO
Is he going to invade them aswell?

Every story has two versions. History has many versions as well. For example, here in Spain they teach at school that when Spain took over South America was to educate those people. That was progress. Many Spanish people believe that, including a very good friend who I asked about it and she told me that version. No rape going on, no murders, no slaves etc... she thinks if those things happened, was for South American's people good.

Now, where were you and those defending Ukraine now days when USA was doing the same to other countries? Please answer.

[UnFulfilledScott]

Every story has two versions. History has many versions as well. For example, here in Spain they teach at school that when Spain took over South America was to educate those people. That was progress. Many Spanish people believe that, including a very good friend who I asked about it and she told me that version. No rape going on, no murders, no slaves etc... she thinks if those things happened, was for South American's people good.

Now, where were you and those defending Ukraine now days when USA was doing the same to other countries? Please answer.

Three versions.
And the truth is in between.

[Rachel Divine]

Three versions.
And the truth is in between.

Some truth we will never know.

[UnFulfilledScott]

Some truth we will never know.

Ain't that the truth.

[Forceuser]

Every story has two versions. History has many versions as well. For example, here in Spain they teach at school that when Spain took over South America was to educate those people. That was progress. Many Spanish people believe that, including a very good friend who I asked about it and she told me that version. No rape going on, no murders, no slaves etc... she thinks if those things happened, was for South American's people good.

thats not history,thats just lies and i'd be against those teachings too
there still is such a thing as the actual truth,even these days

Now, where were you and those defending Ukraine now days when USA was doing the same to other countries? Please answer.

people have brought up this whataboutism on the thread before and i've tried to avoid engaging
for the simple reason that this thread is about the Ukraine crisis,not anything else and i want
to try to keep it on subject
if you want my opinion on something else,start a thread about it and i'll give it to you there

but heres a freebie,i was against the war in Iraq

[Rachel Divine]

thats not history,thats just lies and i'd be against those teachings too
there still is such a thing as the actual truth,even these days



people have brought up this whataboutism on the thread before and i've tried to avoid engaging
for the simple reason that this thread is about the Ukraine crisis,not anything else and i want
to try to keep it on subject
if you want my opinion on something else,start a thread about it and i'll give it to you there

but heres a freebie,i was against the war in Iraq

That is the history they teach in Spain - Spain the saviour, South America the poor, uneducated people..

Ain't going to start a thread on anything regarding politics, simple because isn't much of a point. Each person will believe whatever they want to believe/think.

Thanks for the freebie, I will take it. USA did worse in Iraq than Russia is doing in Ukraine. ( Still on topic ).

[Forceuser]

USA did worse in Iraq than Russia is doing in Ukraine. ( Still on topic ).

is that supposed to make it ok?
or not allow me to condemn their actions in Ukraine?

[Rachel Divine]

is that supposed to make it ok?
or not allow me to condemn their actions in Ukraine?

I allow you to be concerned about it, but not one sided though. lol