Afghanistan

[Stephanie]

( I can’t believe I’m saying this ) :

NATO / US came out / left Too Soon !

Witness Ukraine : it takes Two generations for any society to

‘Mature’ into Understanding and Appreciating : Democracy .



You cannot just bulldoze ( like we like to do ) your way into a Thousands Year Culture

and EXPECT them All to change - ‘cause you say so , ‘cause you say it’s a ‘better way’ ::

:: better - for Whom !?

Certainly not for the Patriarchal Society where men rule and kill their fellow men as much

as their own women . Where 12 year olds are married off to a 73 yo ( ugly words here ) !!

Certainly They won’t think it’s a ‘better life’ !! And They hold the power !

You Cannot ‘Force’ democracy on a Naive society ! / oh I could tell tales - of ‘voting’ !!

But staying the Two generations : allows the downtrodden to breathe freely - and Most

would want Freedom ! - , allows to eradicate ( as much as possible ) the rouge elements ,

And Most importantly allows for a new generation to grow up in Freedom , have their own

Children — and raise Them with this ( now not so new and strange ) idea of Personal Freedom !

: and by then the old mullahs , the old beards will have died out / the remaining marauding

sparse remains of the ‘old rule’ will scutter off ..

:: you Cannot change a Culture in 20 years’ of War !

What you Can do is go in w military to Secure , then Educate in peace : spend your 20 years and Educate ::



And in the end : ( aside from the unspeakable horrors of the women ) ..

Consumerism — is it better ? // totally rhetorical Q : Obviously iPad over women stoned !

Any and Every day !


// or just deck it , bomb a couple rural training camps like Clinton did in 1993 when they

First Tried to blow up the NY Trade Center , and call it a day :: what became of That !?

Was fluxing dressing rehearsal for Bin Laden .


There are No ‘quick’ solutions = ‘quick’ : I mean less than generations x

We left Afghanistan ten years too early : or we should’ve left once we bombed Tora Bora ,

or when finally OBL was killed . This is half-ar*ed , incompetent , ball-less horrors we left behind

and in Long run have gained what ?

A whole new generation of locals who Rightly resent what we have Done ( by abandoning them )

: Who needs ‘bad guys’ recruiters when We give them All the reason to Resent !?

[Stephanie]

Imagine. Now what does the west do. Do nought and we are wrong, go in and we are wrong! They, the Taliban are horrible. Hang on, North Korea is horrible, Iran ( I mean their governments by the way, their peoples are just normal folk) Saudi is horrible. China I think is on a half decent road.

China is devouring Africa and Southeast Asia — all the while we are not looking .

I bear witness . I have seen it with my own eyes ! Insidious ; they’re like Locusts :

: Nothing but destruction left in their wake - no guns needed : take advantage of the

simple rural population and the corruption at the top .

Nothing left behind them but a stripped land that can never be restored , and starving people :

who prior to Chinese ‘incentives’ were eking out a living for their family with two buffaloes .

Now they starve .

And clearcut some More mountainside jungle . : they end up with Nothing : Chinese take it All .

[Bukar]

China is devouring Africa and Southeast Asia — all the while we are not looking .

I bear witness . I have seen it with my own eyes ! Insidious ; they’re like Locusts :

: Nothing but destruction left in their wake - no guns needed : take advantage of the

simple rural population and the corruption at the top .

Nothing left behind them but a stripped land that can never be restored , and starving people :

who prior to Chinese ‘incentives’ were eking out a living for their family with two buffaloes .

Now they starve .

And clearcut some More mountainside jungle . : they end up with Nothing : Chinese take it All .

Exploiting / stealing poor countries resources, sure western democracies would never do that!?
Exploiting their population, nah cant be, west is too civilised.

[Bukar]

Since now all of a sudden it is OK to speak about politics in sposrts while previously you would be fined or banned even for wearing a T-shirt with some non suitable message, they also speak out about hypocrisy
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...w/90196139.cms

https://www.marca.com/en/football/sp...4558b462d.html

[EdwardElizabethHitler]

This is like something out of a monty python sketch.
https://thehill.com/policy/internati...dress-code-for

[Stephanie]

Exploiting / stealing poor countries resources, sure western democracies would never do that!?
Exploiting their population, nah cant be, west is too civilised.

How about a bit more ‘What-aboutism’ , hey ?

: how far you wanna go Back ??

Let’s have a Discussion on it so , hey ?





How far so ?? >>


100 years ?

800 years ??

Further ?

: Just Say .

[UnFulfilledScott]

How about a bit more ‘What-aboutism’ , hey ?

: how far you wanna go Back ??

Let’s have a Discussion on it so , hey ?





How far so ?? >>


100 years ?

800 years ??

Further ?

: Just Say .

20 years would be a good start.
When the US invaded and tore apart Afghanistan.

[UnFulfilledScott]

How about a bit more ‘What-aboutism’ , hey ?

: how far you wanna go Back ??

Let’s have a Discussion on it so , hey ?





How far so ?? >>


100 years ?

800 years ??

Further ?

: Just Say .

Also, that 'whataboutism' weapon that neolibs like to use against Russia ... that term comes from the IRA-Brits conflict.

[gonzo76]

( I can’t believe I’m saying this ) :

NATO / US came out / left Too Soon !

Witness Ukraine : it takes Two generations for any society to

‘Mature’ into Understanding and Appreciating : Democracy .



You cannot just bulldoze ( like we like to do ) your way into a Thousands Year Culture

and EXPECT them All to change - ‘cause you say so , ‘cause you say it’s a ‘better way’ ::

:: better - for Whom !?

Certainly not for the Patriarchal Society where men rule and kill their fellow men as much

as their own women . Where 12 year olds are married off to a 73 yo ( ugly words here ) !!

Certainly They won’t think it’s a ‘better life’ !! And They hold the power !

You Cannot ‘Force’ democracy on a Naive society ! / oh I could tell tales - of ‘voting’ !!

But staying the Two generations : allows the downtrodden to breathe freely - and Most

would want Freedom ! - , allows to eradicate ( as much as possible ) the rouge elements ,

And Most importantly allows for a new generation to grow up in Freedom , have their own

Children — and raise Them with this ( now not so new and strange ) idea of Personal Freedom !

: and by then the old mullahs , the old beards will have died out / the remaining marauding

sparse remains of the ‘old rule’ will scutter off ..

:: you Cannot change a Culture in 20 years’ of War !

What you Can do is go in w military to Secure , then Educate in peace : spend your 20 years and Educate ::



And in the end : ( aside from the unspeakable horrors of the women ) ..

Consumerism — is it better ? // totally rhetorical Q : Obviously iPad over women stoned !

Any and Every day !


// or just deck it , bomb a couple rural training camps like Clinton did in 1993 when they

First Tried to blow up the NY Trade Center , and call it a day :: what became of That !?

Was fluxing dressing rehearsal for Bin Laden .


There are No ‘quick’ solutions = ‘quick’ : I mean less than generations x

We left Afghanistan ten years too early : or we should’ve left once we bombed Tora Bora ,

or when finally OBL was killed . This is half-ar*ed , incompetent , ball-less horrors we left behind

and in Long run have gained what ?

A whole new generation of locals who Rightly resent what we have Done ( by abandoning them )

: Who needs ‘bad guys’ recruiters when We give them All the reason to Resent !?

Wow. Only took you 8 months to understand my post.

Congrats on getting there in the end.

[Stephanie]

Also, that 'whataboutism' weapon that neolibs like to use against Russia ... that term comes from the IRA-Brits conflict.

Please tell me about that ?

I do not know .