The Philosophy and Morals of Paying for Sex

[beautyaddict]

It's not all about the sex for me. It's genuine human connection and intamcy. The sex is a byproduct of that. Although I will say without the sexual aspect it's not as fulfilling. That's just the way I'm wired, and I am guessing that I'm not the only one like that.

It's a basic human need for me and it's a LOT more convinient and much less trouble to enter into a short term agreement with a willing paricipant than it would be to source that need the old fashioned way.

Two consenting adults making a fair transaction where they both gain and can get satisfaction and fullfillment from is a lot more moral than most of the "legal" financial dealings that I have and am involved with. Insurance, tax, property development, investment banking; those industries are where peoples morals get thrown to the wayside.

More families and lives have been destroyed by the massive manipulation of those industries by multinationals, banks and governments than the sex industry ever has.

Sex and intimacy is therapy for me and it keeps me level, without it I'd be a very diffrent person. I think it's difficult to overstate how important the service that escorts provide is to many people is, absolutely an essential service in my book.

If it was legalised the darker aspects of the industry would be greatly reduced. Same with drugs. The arguments for legalisation of both are well known and the research and studies on both are mostly overwhemingly positive.

It's a damn shape that society hasn't evolved yet to accept the fact that both are a part of life and it does FAR more harm to try and suppress than it does to regulate and legalise.

Excellent post and i agree on legalized Immorality, seen a shed load of that in my life , take the refusal to pay on Pandemic FFS

[EscortInspector]

The list of objections to this industry are mainly because of the Catholic church in this country and they can kiss my arse.

I see you did a copy and paste job from Ruhama’s website!

Suppose you were in a debate discussing sex work with a representative from the Catholic Church, Ruhama or some other perceived authority. Suppose the representative started to list off the objections, one by one. How would you respond? Which objections are the most flaccid and which are more potent? What is it about institutions or figures of authority that makes the objections invalid?

(Playing Devil's Advocate )

[rockonallnite]

It's not all about the sex for me. It's genuine human connection and intamcy. The sex is a byproduct of that. Although I will say without the sexual aspect it's not as fulfilling. That's just the way I'm wired, and I am guessing that I'm not the only one like that.

It's a basic human need for me and it's a LOT more convinient and much less trouble to enter into a short term agreement with a willing paricipant than it would be to source that need the old fashioned way.

Two consenting adults making a fair transaction where they both gain and can get satisfaction and fullfillment from is a lot more moral than most of the "legal" financial dealings that I have and am involved with. Insurance, tax, property development, investment banking; those industries are where peoples morals get thrown to the wayside.

More families and lives have been destroyed by the massive manipulation of those industries by multinationals, banks and governments than the sex industry ever has.

Sex and intimacy is therapy for me and it keeps me level, without it I'd be a very diffrent person. I think it's difficult to overstate how important the service that escorts provide is to many people is, absolutely an essential service in my book.

If it was legalised the darker aspects of the industry would be greatly reduced. Same with drugs. The arguments for legalisation of both are well known and the research and studies on both are mostly overwhemingly positive.

It's a damn shape that society hasn't evolved yet to accept the fact that both are a part of life and it does FAR more harm to try and suppress than it does to regulate and legalise.

Amen!! Well said, I agree 100% with you.

[ford pefect]

I think its great , and has been going on for a long time , “oldest professional in the world”
And long may it continue, as long as I have the money and the energy I will be there,
Now off for my next visit

[Magicman]

Sex workers are no different (as people) to other workers who offer professional services and should have as much protection under the law as any other section of workers.
As in any industry there will always be those who for reasons of greed, power or general lack of decency take shortcuts and bring an industry into disrepute.
This is especially true in the sex industry where profits and financial reward can be massive if one employs certain methods such as pimping, where all the profit and gain goes to her pimp manager leaving her in a position of slavery.
This may be more common that we realise.
Personally I have never knowingly come across such a situation ans hope never to find such a situation as I am unclear what I should do.
I'd probably ring some service with an anonymous tip-off.

Question ............................ What would you do?

[IDF2]

For me a woman's body is her own.

Meaning she can do what she likes with it, like I can.

If that means monetise it or more to the point give up her time, that is her business.

[MidlifeCrisis]

The objections to sex work listed in the OP are a bit of a jumble in my opinion.

It is essential to keep entirely separate the two cases where the sex worker makes a free choice to participate in, and remain in, the industry, and the case where they are being manipulated, forced or coerced by others.

The crimes of trafficking, coercing and forcing people into working for the benefit of others are among the most revolting on the planet, and I do not think anyone here will try to make any kind of defence of those people.

If you take those out of the argument and consider the cases of independent escorts, workers in legal brothels, and other free sex work, I think the arguments against are so weak they fall apart on their own. Statements like "It is inappropriate to commodify sex", "sex is with someone you know" etc are purely subjective opinions with no foundation. If you challenge the people making those statements to state the moral principles which underly their statements, all they can say is either "it feels wrong" or that it is against their religious beliefs.

[Magicman]

When all is said and done with regards to "morals and ethics" it will always boil down to whatever two people wish to do with each other.
This is none of my business or anyone else's business unless one or other of the parties involved doesn't wish to participate and needs help.
This holds true for any part of people's lives not just for sex workers.
Our nurses are overworked by our government which is just as evil a crime.
Low wages (often well below living standards) are a crime.
The "morals and ethics" banner often gets raised by those who are the most abusive.
Priests, politicians, public service, nuns, .......................... so many do-gooders who have all degrades the professions they would apparently espouse.

[Westsidex]

Why don't you guys rent your asses out so if its that easy? You'll make loads of money. No doubt. Off you go and then come back and let on that it's easy.

Westside

[Dickrogers]

Paying for services is an integral part of modern societies. If my home needs to be rewired then I employ an electrician to do the job, so long as the electrician does a satisfactory job and I pay him the agreed fee then there doesn't seem to be any ethical or moral issue with the contract. The same cannot be said for sex work and this is an issue I would like the community to explore through discussion.
What is it about paying for sex that makes it different from any other service?
What makes an action right or wrong? Is it the outcome? Or are some things just good or evil?
Is it possible to freely choose to pay for or accept payment for sex?
Just because something is illegal does it also make it immoral?
Is the activity of sex in a different class to other activities such as dancing or football?

Below I will list(not exhaustive) some common objections to sex work, bear in mind that I in no way endorse these objections but I think they would serve as a prompt for discussion:
1. Sex work is part of a suite of services offered by criminal gangs: if you pay for sex then you are supporting criminal activities such as trafficking, violence and the black economy.
2. Sex work is a danger to public health: sex work involves increased risk of diseases, everything from the common cold to HIV.
3. Sex workers are modern slaves: sex workers are trafficked by criminal gangs and forced to work, nobody would freely choose to do such a job.
4. People who pay for sex are degenerates: if someone has to pay for sex then there must be something wrong with them, morally, physically or psychologically.
5. It is inappropriate to commodify sex: sex is a byproduct of love, sex is for procreation, sex is with someone you know, sex is sacred, sex is different etc etc.
6. Paying for sex is wrong: it is objectively wrong to pay for sex, it doesn't matter how it makes you feel or if it is a contract freely entered into, some things are right and others wrong.

It depends on your ethical framework I think..anyways if they want to do it and we want to use the commodity they're selling then what's they issue!