Who's getting the vaccine?

[Westsidex]

Hi Westside,

I completely understand your concerns. There is a big science communication problem in the world and unfortunately I'm no communication expert but I'll do my best. It's a confusing time for all but I hope I can alleviate some of your uncertainty by relaying some of the knowledge that I have in the area. I hope you receive this information with the good nature it is intended.

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The same way doctors don't test the effects of a glass of water on the body years after drinking it we have no reason to test this vaccines effects years after it has been administered. It's biologically impossible for this vaccine to have any effects on your health beyond time when it is working, i.e. a couple days to a couple weeks. After that period there will be no possible way for this vaccine to have any effects on your health. If you have any additional concerns about the vaccine I am happy to answer them.

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Science can and will by its nature be wrong a LOT more often than it is right, and by its nature there are no absolute certainties in science. However, work done on the Pfizer vaccine is born from decades of scientific consensus and knowledge. We have a lot of data and research done for this vaccine and this size gives us greater statistical power and confidence in the findings so far.

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I'm not 100% sure why you bring up some other points you have. But I will mention that all cancers are not the same and that all treatments are not the same. In addition, the relatively few human trials and investigations with respect to intravenous vitamin C so far were all concluded with negative results, i.e. they did not show an extension of survival time. Unfortunately, results we have in the lab and in animal testing do not always work for humans or in real world application.

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A cloth mask does not provide an airtight fit across the face. The CO2 completely escapes into the air through and around the sides of the cloth mask when you breathe out or talk. CO2 is small enough to easily pass through any cloth mask material. In contrast, the virus that causes COVID-19 is much larger than CO2, so it cannot pass as easily through a properly designed and properly worn cloth mask.

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And to clarify, I'm not here to force the vaccine on anyone, or give my opinions or beliefs, only share the facts as they currently stand. But again, I would encourage you to have an open mind and look at what the experts who have dedicated their entire careers to this subject are saying about it.

Good luck to you Westside and take care.

Thank you.

Westside.

[claremorris]

Already got it due to work, have my second appointment booked for the second dose. The only side effect is that I am now a wifi hotspot.

Hi Dub Lad. How much time between your first & second shot ? Any issue with getting the second shot within the recommended time frame. My work is trying to organise the vaccine for us but as we are not " really " frontline I am a bit suspicious we will not be top priority for the second shot...... this worries me as I would prefer no vaccine if they mess up with the timing of the second

[Westsidex]

Hi Westside,

I completely understand your concerns. There is a big science communication problem in the world and unfortunately I'm no communication expert but I'll do my best. It's a confusing time for all but I hope I can alleviate some of your uncertainty by relaying some of the knowledge that I have in the area. I hope you receive this information with the good nature it is intended.

--

The same way doctors don't test the effects of a glass of water on the body years after drinking it we have no reason to test this vaccines effects years after it has been administered. It's biologically impossible for this vaccine to have any effects on your health beyond time when it is working, i.e. a couple days to a couple weeks. After that period there will be no possible way for this vaccine to have any effects on your health. If you have any additional concerns about the vaccine I am happy to answer them.

--

Science can and will by its nature be wrong a LOT more often than it is right, and by its nature there are no absolute certainties in science. However, work done on the Pfizer vaccine is born from decades of scientific consensus and knowledge. We have a lot of data and research done for this vaccine and this size gives us greater statistical power and confidence in the findings so far.

--


I'm not 100% sure why you bring up some other points you have. But I will mention that all cancers are not the same and that all treatments are not the same. In addition, the relatively few human trials and investigations with respect to intravenous vitamin C so far were all concluded with negative results, i.e. they did not show an extension of survival time. Unfortunately, results we have in the lab and in animal testing do not always work for humans or in real world application.

--


A cloth mask does not provide an airtight fit across the face. The CO2 completely escapes into the air through and around the sides of the cloth mask when you breathe out or talk. CO2 is small enough to easily pass through any cloth mask material. In contrast, the virus that causes COVID-19 is much larger than CO2, so it cannot pass as easily through a properly designed and properly worn cloth mask.

--

And to clarify, I'm not here to force the vaccine on anyone, or give my opinions or beliefs, only share the facts as they currently stand. But again, I would encourage you to have an open mind and look at what the experts who have dedicated their entire careers to this subject are saying about it.

Good luck to you Westside and take care.

One q for you. I'm trying to learn here not contradict. You know what your talking about so my q is this. We keep hearing about new variants. These would not be an issue if they weren't stronger than the original covid. The vaccine was developed on the original covid. If the variants are stronger than the original covid, would that mean that the vaccine developed on the original covid would not be as effective against the variants?

Westside.

[RoddyMcCorley]

Westie getting injected

[Westsidex]

Westie getting injected

Lol

Westside.

[TonyB]

Hi Westside,

I completely understand your concerns. There is a big science communication problem in the world and unfortunately I'm no communication expert but I'll do my best. It's a confusing time for all but I hope I can alleviate some of your uncertainty by relaying some of the knowledge that I have in the area. I hope you receive this information with the good nature it is intended.

--

The same way doctors don't test the effects of a glass of water on the body years after drinking it we have no reason to test this vaccines effects years after it has been administered. It's biologically impossible for this vaccine to have any effects on your health beyond time when it is working, i.e. a couple days to a couple weeks. After that period there will be no possible way for this vaccine to have any effects on your health. If you have any additional concerns about the vaccine I am happy to answer them.

--

Science can and will by its nature be wrong a LOT more often than it is right, and by its nature there are no absolute certainties in science. However, work done on the Pfizer vaccine is born from decades of scientific consensus and knowledge. We have a lot of data and research done for this vaccine and this size gives us greater statistical power and confidence in the findings so far.

--


I'm not 100% sure why you bring up some other points you have. But I will mention that all cancers are not the same and that all treatments are not the same. In addition, the relatively few human trials and investigations with respect to intravenous vitamin C so far were all concluded with negative results, i.e. they did not show an extension of survival time. Unfortunately, results we have in the lab and in animal testing do not always work for humans or in real world application.

--


A cloth mask does not provide an airtight fit across the face. The CO2 completely escapes into the air through and around the sides of the cloth mask when you breathe out or talk. CO2 is small enough to easily pass through any cloth mask material. In contrast, the virus that causes COVID-19 is much larger than CO2, so it cannot pass as easily through a properly designed and properly worn cloth mask.

--

And to clarify, I'm not here to force the vaccine on anyone, or give my opinions or beliefs, only share the facts as they currently stand. But again, I would encourage you to have an open mind and look at what the experts who have dedicated their entire careers to this subject are saying about it.

Good luck to you Westside and take care.

Perhaps you could help me too.

First
If water doesn't need to be tested, how come the vaccine has already killed 30 people in Australia and a doctor in the States. And they are just there people I've heard of. Forgetting about all those covered up.

Second
You're suggesting I accept the word of a company selling a vaccine who have contractually forced governments to sign away your right and mine to sue when they get it wrong.

Third.
There are many study's showing masks do no good against viruses. 40 years of medical science. All brushed away by a few non pier reviewed studies.

Fourth
Facts???
I can dispute all your fact will an equal number of facts.

In my opinion and based on statistics from reputable sites, I rubbish your entire post.


Bottom line in my opinion
We are fed a scenario from a group of companies and people who have benefited enormously from this.
The this same group offer us a solution, which they are also selling.

The official figures are on Euromomo.
31000 people die each year in Ireland.
How many died last year?

There are 225 ICU beds taken in Ireland.
The number of ICU beds was increase some years ago from 270 to 297. Last year to 350.
Why was it increased to 297?
Was it because the figures were higher in the past?

Prior to 2019 in Ireland
82 people die each die on average
30 from Cancer.
10 heart disease
3 from Covid
Covid 90% over 70 and 88% had a relevant underlying condition
Facts

If you want the real truth look at where the money goes and start looking at facts and not Facebook or worse RTE



Oh and I forgot, isn't there a Danish study of 8000 people on mask wearing who rubbished it.
And yes I am aware of the people who dispute this.
They're probably here.

I don't care if you don't believe me, but use your mind and at least question the figures been fed to you.
Look at them in perspective.
Compare to previous years
And against other deaths.

At least think about it.

And sure, please let me know something constructive, something factual from something other than crap taken out of perspective in the media

[TonyB]

One q for you. I'm trying to learn here not contradict. You know what your talking about so my q is this. We keep hearing about new variants. These would not be an issue if they weren't stronger than the original covid. The vaccine was developed on the original covid. If the variants are stronger than the original covid, would that mean that the vaccine developed on the original covid would not be as effective against the variants?

Westside.

I know how you feel.
After a while it just becomes boring trying to make your point when everyone's mind is made up

[gonzo76]

[TonyB]

I'm especially grumpy as I was stood up earlier.
Twice.

Fucking twice

If you don't show up to an appointment your the worse in the world, but escorts think nothing of it

[Westsidex]

I know how you feel.
After a while it just becomes boring trying to make your point when everyone's mind is made up

You want to know how I really feel Tony? The same as everyone else. Frustrated and sick and tired of not being able to live with basic freedoms. In all fairness to everyone on this thread, it's that same frustration comes out. Inability to live a normal life, no peace of mind, uncertainty of the future etc. I think we all have that in common and maybe I'm wrong, maybe I should have understood the pro vaccine group in that they would see me as undermining their efforts. From a personal perspective, I'm fighting a far bigger battle than covid. I will beat this shit. It won't be easy but I'll beat it.

Westside