Old Man / New Law - Destiny .

[Stephanie]

I posted this on another thread >>



More importantly :

2 . Hate to say it , but this poor man already all over the papers ;

Would be perfect opportunity to challenge the legality and constitutionality

of this godforesaken new law . Do we know if he has legal representation ??

This should be taken to the Highest Court , before it sets precedence .

It is Now that the fate of this new law gets decided .

Will this man just take what’s dished out , and so pave the road for many others

to follow down a path , or will he have the resources and mind to Challenge it !!??

What do we know about the case ? Who is Counsel ? What resources could we / I

put forth to take it all the way up ??


: instead of drifting , why not try steer the boat one’s sitting in !?

[SteveB]

I posted this on another thread >>



More importantly :

2 . Hate to say it , but this poor man already all over the papers ;

Would be perfect opportunity to challenge the legality and constitutionality

of this godforesaken new law . Do we know if he has legal representation ??

This should be taken to the Highest Court , before it sets precedence .

It is Now that the fate of this new law gets decided .

Will this man just take what’s dished out , and so pave the road for many others

to follow down a path , or will he have the resources and mind to Challenge it !!??

What do we know about the case ? Who is Counsel ? What resources could we / I

put forth to take it all the way up ??


: instead of drifting , why not try steer the boat one’s sitting in !?

It is possible in law if a case is likely to cause harm if it is heard in public for it to be heard in private, to have press coverage banned or even for the whole case to be heard in a court far away from where you live.
This may not be possible, I know, in cases like this, BUT you need legal input from a lawyer to even have a chance.
I know the police will try to convince you the best way to “keep it quiet” is to just plead guilty but the best way to keep it quiet is to get a lawyer. The threat of a lawyer often will make them back down, especially if they know they have an unprovable case. If you plead guilty you do not even get a hearing.
Would be interesting indeed, to know if he was even informed of his rights or even if he was misinformed. How legal was his conviction? I would argue it wasn’t if he was bullied into confessing without being cautioned or offered legal advice.
Would be interesting to hear a higher court’s take on this.

[Barney Rubble]

I'd say been named and shamed has done the damage, he'll probably try to avoid anymore publicity.

But then again if he's done an interview for The Sunday World then maybe he would be interested.

[Stephanie]

I'd say been named and shamed has done the damage, he'll probably try to avoid anymore publicity.

But then again if he's done an interview for The Sunday World then maybe he would be interested.

I cannot find this content online .

Could someone please do a screenshot and post it , please ? Xx

[Stephanie]

I keep looking , trying to find some / any information regarding this case ,

and I cannot find any - beyond the fact he was arrested and convicted 200€ fine ,

and Ruhama gloating .

What Are the details ?

I cannot find this content online .

Could someone please do a screenshot and post it , please ? Xx

Someone was kind enough to PM me the man’s name , and I’ve Googled everything .

I am still not any smarter than before .

The Only information given regarding this arrest and conviction is >>>


”Mr. XyZ Aged 65, of Ratoath, Co Meath, was found paying a young woman for sex

during a raid at a brothel in Blanchardstown, Dublin in March 2018. He was fined €200 following conviction.


No detail , I’d like to know if it was a situation of girls sharing ,

or an organization providing countless revolving girls for for entertainment .

Did they bust some traffickers and Pimps , or just a (not so old) lonely man ???

Big difference .

Every single paper that I’ve read states exactly same verbatim ^^^ the above quote ,

and Ruhama gloating and spewing false information regarding sex work .




* the Provider Profile mentioned in another thread is up and now active in a diff location .

What gives ? How ? : Brothel busted , how is the profile up and running ?

When was this man arrested ?

Something stinks .



Where are the court cases of the Pimps ? If it was a Brothel ???

[Hallie]

Yes in all the papers but ruhuma really milking it here and making out he is a sex fiend and guys like these should be locked up as a danger to society,
he is only a lonely guy looking for fun but why do they name and shame on your first offence, its not fair

[ford pefect]

I agree, I'm sure he would just like it to go away, I think he was naive In trusting the garda that it would be kept quiet, I would probably have done the same, somebody leaked his details to the press

[Stephanie]

It is possible in law if a case is likely to cause harm if it is heard in public for it to be heard in private, to have press coverage banned or even for the whole case to be heard in a court far away from where you live.
This may not be possible, I know, in cases like this, BUT you need legal input from a lawyer to even have a chance.
I know the police will try to convince you the best way to “keep it quiet” is to just plead guilty but the best way to keep it quiet is to get a lawyer. The threat of a lawyer often will make them back down, especially if they know they have an unprovable case. If you plead guilty you do not even get a hearing.
Would be interesting indeed, to know if he was even informed of his rights or even if he was misinformed. How legal was his conviction? I would argue it wasn’t if he was bullied into confessing without being cautioned or offered legal advice.
Would be interesting to hear a higher court’s take on this.

I keep looking , trying to find some / any information regarding this case ,

and I cannot find any - beyond the fact he was arrested and convicted 200€ fine ,

and Ruhama gloating .

What Are the details ?

[Stephanie]

It is possible in law if a case is likely to cause harm if it is heard in public for it to be heard in private, to have press coverage banned or even for the whole case to be heard in a court far away from where you live.
This may not be possible, I know, in cases like this, BUT you need legal input from a lawyer to even have a chance.
I know the police will try to convince you the best way to “keep it quiet” is to just plead guilty but the best way to keep it quiet is to get a lawyer. The threat of a lawyer often will make them back down, especially if they know they have an unprovable case. If you plead guilty you do not even get a hearing.
Would be interesting indeed, to know if he was even informed of his rights or even if he was misinformed. How legal was his conviction? I would argue it wasn’t if he was bullied into confessing without being cautioned or offered legal advice.
Would be interesting to hear a higher court’s take on this.

Is there such a thing as Miranda Rights here in ROI ?

: the right to not answer , the right to Not incriminate one’s self ?

To advise you of your Legal Right to competent Counsel , if you can’t

afford one , one will be provided For you ..

In US it’s mandatory to have your rights read out to you at time of arrest .

Without it , arrest is null and void .

[philipkntz]

Is there such a thing as Miranda Rights here in ROI ?

: the right to not answer , the right to Not incriminate one’s self ?

To advise you of your Legal Right to competent Counsel , if you can’t

afford one , one will be provided For you ..

In US it’s mandatory to have your rights read out to you at time of arrest .

Without it , arrest is null and void .

My understanding is that if they arrest you, they have to read you your rights. But if you are only "helping gardai with their enquiries" or just "giving a statement" they don't have to read you your rights, but they can arrest/prosecute you based on your own evidence.
My advice, seek legal advice. If you feel compelled to give a statement, give it to your own solicitor. He can then give it to gardai or advise you to keep your mouth shut and shred your statement.