#ThisIsNotConsent - Protests Sweeping The Nation

[philipkntz]

I do hope you are wrong, and obviously it depends where you are - in a city, out in the country, on a beach....

Maybe I am being naïve, and things really are that bad.

Well you could look at it like there's relative safety in numbers. Only a small percentage of men are capable of rape, you could say that there's not enough rapists to go around.
But fact is there are rapists out there, city, country and on the beach, sometimes a victim is targeted in public and stalked until opportunity is ripe.
People are raped, and only a small percentage of rapes are reported, and an even smaller percentage are successfully prosecuted and even in those cases the offenders are released to rape again.

[Martin Ward]

It's very sad to think, that we urgently need in colleges at least programs to teach young adults about consent.

Here it is for free:

A woman can withdraw her consent at any time.

Even during sex, yes that is nasty.

But that is the way it is, get over it!

Escorts are exactly the same as is everybody else.

If you are out and about avoid having any sexual contact with any person that does not know what they are doing (pissed.)

And you will never find yourself in court.

The lack of knowledge of the 'drunk consent' thing in the UK is frightening'. It doesn't help either person. I am not going to comment on Ireland as have no idea if the laws are different at all.

In the UK drunk consent IS consent. To not know what you are doing means you basically have to be unconscious. It ISN'T an excuse to get hammered, make awful decisions accordingly, then say 'I didn't know what I was doing so I was raped'.

I agree that kids need to be taught consent and about sensible actions on a night out. It stops lads getting into trouble, and women getting raped (there are animals out there who will attack women who can't defend themselves, in the same way that there are animals who will mug me if I am too hammered to defend myself after necking 12 shots of sambuca), or at least getting so hammered that they make poor decisions and regret them.

[Martin Ward]

It is certainly an awful case

[ILoveFingering]

https://bit.ly/2A623uA

Are we really in a place, still, where what a woman wears can act as an indicator as to her offering consent? Frightening

'I'm shocked this is still happening' - Mum of teen rape victim who died by suicide after being forced to hold up underwear in court

https://www.independent.ie/irish-new...-37546428.html

[philipkntz]

I think that I was led astray defending my comments and didn't really address the consent issue as I intended.
If I were on that jury the defence presented me with the victims thong, I think that I'd see it more as motive than consent. I'd also consider it as continuing the rape of the victim, and inclined to vote against the defendant.

[philipkntz]

About this part here: In the cork case, the defendant’s barrister was a woman. Now to me, for a woman to perpetuate this whole myth about her underwear being an issue is hugely disappointing, but I guess the whole ‘win at all costs’ mentality overrides morality...

Unbelievable. It's time we put the entire legal system on trial.

[SteveB]

About this part here: In the cork case, the defendant’s barrister was a woman. Now to me, for a woman to perpetuate this whole myth about her underwear being an issue is hugely disappointing, but I guess the whole ‘win at all costs’ mentality overrides morality...

"the whole ‘win at all costs’ mentality overrides morality..."

Unfortunately that is the way the much-criticized adversarial system works.

[Forceuser]

more as motive than consent.

Isn't that the same problem tho?
i.e. Women potentially scared of wearing certain underwear as it may provide motive in the
mind of their attacker

Clothing should never have come up in the trial anyway
a backward minded barrister trying to appeal to any backward thinking jurors there may be

[philipkntz]

What is wrong with you's with the heavy threads. Suicide is suicide, can't be stopped and won't be stopped.
Rape is not a discussion In the way you lot are talking about it. Girls can wear what they want when they want, it's never an invite to be touched or attacked. It might be an invite to catch the attention of a fella who they Want to chat them up and hook up with.
Girls like to feel sexy, it's important to them to look and feel good. No girl anywhere ever, has done anything to be raped. A girl does not invite rape, a rapist invites himself to rape.

If there were lunatics out there with guns, would you wear this teeshirt ?



There are rapists out there and people need to be careful or they can end up victims.

[GOSHH]

If there were lunatics out there with guns, would you wear this teeshirt ?



There are rapists out there and people need to be careful or they can end up victims.

One cannot stop a person who is intent on harm. It is not possible for the individual to prevent being assaulted. Being careful does not guarantee safety.

Most women have more than one thing they do on a daily basis to be careful. Still assault happens.

The underwear was only able to be used in the trial in the first place because it was evidence for the prosecution, because she was sexually assaulted.

I never normally know what kind of underwear a person has on until they are undressing in front of me.

Could you say that underwear is a factor in child sexual assault or old age sexual assault?

Sexual Assault is not about desire, it is about power control.