catholic church schools abuse report

[anitasizzle]

The Greek Orthodoz Church had simular controversity several years ago-people high up on its hierachy were found to indulge in drug-dealing, tampering with the course of justice and having a fondness for rent boys for the their starter-course. I remeber thinking that the DEVIL had implemented his way into their church after reading some articles on the matter.

What happened here regarding the Catholic church is UNREAL-I keep thinking about those innocent children and how there was no one to protect them. As an adult, if someone is abusing you, can walk, run and tell them to fuck off, but as a child you cannot-how did they prevail How did those sweet chiildren survive,day end and day out? how could those Priests and Nums do that to those children and how could peopel sit there KNOWING this was happening and NOT do nothing?

The Catholic church better find it some fucking money,and increase the settlement amounts to those children, and, yes, the are children, they're GOD'S chidren. And if it don't come up with the money, it can kiss it's SWEET EVIL ASS into oblivion.

I'm not a Catholic and wouldn't want to be one

[Doozer]

Anita they dont need to find money , they already have it. the Vatican is one of the richest places on the planet

[Doozer]

If your into religeon there is nothing wrong with being a Catholic. So dont badmouth it Anitta

[TheNads]

Hey, let's not get some higher being or God (for the want of a better name) mixed up with the corrupt bastards who hide behind his name. They are human beings, they are flawed just like all mortals & generations of lapdogs in this country have let them wield total power & control over us.
Whether there is a God is another question altogether.
Just like having FF in power for most of the last 20 yrs. pepole become lazy, complacent & arrogant. Multiply that by a huge factor & you'll get an idea what the RC Church had here. Unquestioned control. Poeple like that bastard McQuaid should be exhumed in order to be burned, until nothing remains of him.
The Unionists were right, Home Rule was Rome Rule, with our own unique Irish twist. Torching the RC Churches is not an affront to God necesarily, it is cleansing our souls. He would want that.

[pats bodyguard]

Hey, let's not get some higher being or God (for the want of a better name) mixed up with the corrupt bastards who hide behind his name. They are human beings, they are flawed just like all mortals & generations of lapdogs in this country have let them wield total power & control over us.
Whether there is a God is another question altogether.
Just like having FF in power for most of the last 20 yrs. pepole become lazy, complacent & arrogant. Multiply that by a huge factor & you'll get an idea what the RC Church had here. Unquestioned control. Poeple like that bastard McQuaid should be exhumed in order to be burned, until nothing remains of him.
The Unionists were right, Home Rule was Rome Rule, with our own unique Irish twist. Torching the RC Churches is not an affront to God necesarily, it is cleansing our souls. He would want that.

do you think that say things had of been different and the country had been unified back then, that there would have been enough impetuous by the prods in the north to establish a completely secular school system totally removed from the influence of the church?

or do you thinks the priests and bishops had more power of fear over the people than a republican ideal may have had?

bbj

[TheNads]

If there was a united country back in the 20s then there would have been a much bloodier, longer civil war. There would have been more than 2 sides & by the time you & I came along this country would have been a more tolerant, secular society because of the influence of more than 1 religion / culture.
Republicanism & religion were inextricably linked in some people's minds. But not all people were republican, most were catholic. If they had to choose, then I think RCism would have won the day.

[anitasizzle]

I was recently in the North, and was pleasantly surprised at how MENTALLY and EMONTIONALLY people were up there. considering the North's past-I asked myself tiime and time again why this was the case, and the only thing i could think of was the effect of the Protestant influence-I think they are more together up there because two different religions co-exist

[LLAMEDOS]

I was recently in the North, and was pleasantly surprised at how MENTALLY and EMONTIONALLY people were up there. considering the North's past-I asked myself tiime and time again why this was the case, and the only thing i could think of was the effect of the Protestant influence-I think they are more together up there because two different religions co-exist

About as much together as Rangers v Celtic supporters ! -- you obviously don`t keep in
touch with the news girl !

[anitasizzle]

About as much together as Rangers v Celtic supporters ! -- you obviously don`t keep in
touch with the news girl !

The 'together' doesn't imply ''togetherness'', but ''normality''-they didn't have as many noticeable hang-ups as the other people I've encountered on this Isle

[carlos marvado]

If there was a united country back in the 20s then there would have been a much bloodier, longer civil war. There would have been more than 2 sides & by the time you & I came along this country would have been a more tolerant, secular society because of the influence of more than 1 religion / culture.
Republicanism & religion were inextricably linked in some people's minds. But not all people were republican, most were catholic. If they had to choose, then I think RCism would have won the day.

In a republic, the people via the ballot box are sovereign, in a theocracy the hierarchy of the dominant religious power is sovereign under the direction of the All Mighty and all others obey. What we had was a half-way house, a bit of both as it were, with the civil power abrogating many areas of responsibility in public life and outsourcing these to the main church. In addition, they went cap in hand to Maynooth to get the ecclesiastical imprimatur on propossed legislation.

But you have to bear in mind, that the vast majority of the Irish population colluded in this state of affairs. Just as the child abusers groomed their victims, so too was an entire nation, which had experienced 700+ years of foreign occupation, disenfranchisement, dispossession, hunger and forced emmigration ripe for grooming by a church which sought to portray itself as being on the side of the ordinary people and sharing in their suffering. After independence the play acting stopped, and just as in every other country where the church once enjoyed a position of power and privilege, it sided with and formed an unofficial coalition with the most conservative elements in civil society to protect it's position and hold over the great unwashed masses. Rome and the holders of the local true franchise on faith always supported the monarchy, aristocracy, bourgeoisie, wealthy classes and in return asked only for control of such areas as education and health, so as to guarantee compliance from a brainwashed populace.

My apologies to any British members, but the worst thing that we got from our neighbours was not Henry VIII and the dissolution of the monasteries/reformation, Oliver Cromwell, William of Orange and the Penal Laws, land confiscations or the Act of Union, rather it was the decision of the Emperial Government in the 19th century to gradually hand over control of education and health to the Catholic Church in Ireland. In return the Catholic Church supported the Union, moderate parliamentary nationalism (Home Rule) and opposed and condemned land agitation and physical force nationalism and later on socialism and the movement to organise labour.

The Catholic Church does'nt even uphold the teaching of the Gospels which it is supposed to preach.........compensation for abuse victims, plus the alleviation of hardship for those recently made unemployed by the recession, and assistance for migrants and asylum seekers are just some of the obvious ways in which it could divest itself of even 50% of it's wealth and then the bishops et al might just be able to squeeze themselves through the eye of a needle. Picture if you will Jesus' return in the 21st century seeking out his followers and the successors to the servants he had left in charge of the movement. Based on his recollection of his last sojourn here, he heads for the nearest slum, favela, barrio, project or local authority estate. Upon encountering the first hoodie, hoe or strung out pregnant teenager he enquires as to the whereabouts of the local religious authorities. Invariably he gets directions to a large building, where he finds mainly elderly men dining well and supping fine wines in comfortable surroundings paid for by the widow's mite.

And 2000 years after taking on the Pharisees and turfing the money changers out of the temple, he's got to do it all over again. He aint gonna be very happy brothers and sisters.