First prosecution under Nordic model

[The Libertarian]

There is a damn good reason why most legislatures in the world are reluctant to make laws in this area because it's a fucking minefield, in theory you could even end up making marriage illegal!

[SteveB]

There is a damn good reason why most legislatures in the world are reluctant to make laws in this area because it's a fucking minefield, in theory you could even end up making marriage illegal!

It has been pointed out before that this law does make marriage illegal.

[SteveB]

I suspect the cops are bluffing. Their bluff has been called. Interesting to see what happens on the 14th when a new date is to be set for the court contest. The judge will not be pleased with either the cops or the prosecution if the "witness/injured party" does not turn up again after a new date and time is set aside for the case. This Wednesday they may just cut their losses and throw in the towel. If so, clients/escorts 1 New Law 0.
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[Forceuser]

If the cops and courts are under pressure to get a first conviction for the new law
they might put a lot of pressure on the woman to show up,scare her into it.
Hope she holds her nerve and stays away

Seems like a lot of trouble to go through for what seems like a transaction between two consenting adults
Should be more worried about following up cases where actual trafficking may be happening.

[meatloaf2]

It seems that without an escort turning up to be a witness, it may be impossible to get a conviction in The North, except for the possibility of being actually caught by The Pigz 'in situ' in a brothel, during a raid!
I guess though if a complaint was made by an 'injured party', The Pigz will investigate.
In a capitalist based society which is all about buying and selling, the idea of offering an 'adult civvie' let alone an escort, money for a bit of craic, is hardly crime of the century!

What happens is pressure is put on the escort. A deal where no further action is taken on them if they cooperate.
Why would they care about any client really, they owe no guy their Allegiance.
Its all corrupt, you have police raiding one place and coming down like a ton of bricks and then other places a blind eye is turned.
Pimps and backhanders, free sex and money talks the loudest

[AZ99]

... or to be provided...

The point is though, that if A phones B, arranges a time to meet her, and is stopped on his way into B's apartment, A hasn't actually done anything wrong if he didn't explicitly discuss sex. You can't assume that A was going there for a sexual service, and criminal law requires proof beyond all reasonable doubt.

Even with leaving the apartment, again it's difficult to prove that a sexual service occurred. All that's known is that A entered B's apartment. It sounds like the only way these cases would actually hold up in court is if (a) someone directly witnessed A and B engaged in a sexual service, and (b) it's able to be shown that A gave money to B.

[Barney Rubble]

Whatever the result of this court case this man's name has been printed in the press and even if found innocent of all charges his name is and will be tarnished- I personally would buy him a pint but that's another story.
Ridiculous law and ridiculous law makers/keepers

[Barney Rubble]

Doea anyone know the actual details of this case? From the snippets here, it doesn't sound like a regular punt!?

Don't know the full story Doc but his name and address has been shown previously- don't know the man personally but I do know his address and whatever the circumstances I don't think his name or address should have ever been made public

[meatloaf2]

I think you're right on this. I've punted in Canada where I used a well-known agency. One that is on the radar of their cops. First up, their website talks a lot about escorts, but mentions nothing sexual. There are no sexually suggestive pictures on the website and the girls are photographed from the nose down in sexy but not-revealing dresses. Nothing sexual was discussed over the phone, though I did have to give my real name to get the outcall booking (this was checked by calling hotel reception and asking to be put through to Mr. Blah Blah). To some here, this would break at least 2 or 3 of their punting rules. But it was one of the best punts I've had. And there was no evidentiary trail left behind. This agency has had no punter convictions since Canada's laws changed to the Nordic model. Ireland might be too small for a similar business model. I'm not sure.



Yeah, it would be very tough to get a valid warrant to enter a property and obtain biological evidence unless the girls are sharing and THAT is the basis of the warrant. It's why I like hotels better than apartments. Much harder for the police to do the evidence they'd need to get a warrant, and pretty much no time to execute it.

That being said though, there will be easy prey for the cops. There will be the frequently-used premises with too many girls bringing too much attention to themselves. Those are likely to be volume-based premises with prices to match. I know that will be controversial to some, and no it doesn't mean there aren't some "good value" girls out there, or that high price means safety. But high-volume low-price is a no for me.



I'm not sure any genuine girl who wants to be in the business in Ireland would find it a good idea to testify against a client except in exceptional circumstances (like if he was a genuine cunt). This country is too small.

You mean genuine independent but most are not, these are pimp run and agency, to keep hold of the money and business running they will cooperate and let them testify.
These girls are not long about or don't intend to be long about anyway so no skin of their noses really
Even the so called genuine girls that share, how many would cooperate if the police stated to them we wont prosecute you and let you keep the thousands you made. Quite a few I'd say in reality.
Will it harm their business in Ireland, no way and after a few months all will be forgotten,

[SteveB]

This alleged offence took place on 28 August 2016 so the girl has been around since then at least.

If she makes a statement she could implicate herself and others. Not obliged to say anything, best for everyone no-one says anything. Then nothing can be proven.

I still think it is likely a bluff.