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    Quote Originally Posted by drbagehot View Post
    To a liberal like myself, being open-minded is all its about. The problem with that for most conservatives is they are fundamentally unable to distinguish between being disagreed with an being shut down. In fact, this is a prime example, when all I've done is respond to a number of posts where "liberal" is used as a term of abuse, and I've questioned why. Please try not to get all victimy on me for responding and challenging that. Nowhere did I say you were not entitled to your view or your right to express it. But not every opinion is entitled to respect, or to be immune from ridicule.

    I'm not going to compare cocks with you but you certainly do not have a monopoly on world experience.

    The Islamists have far more in common anyway with the ultraconservatives - the intolerance of other religious views, the blindness to science, the desire to mix church and state, and the propensity to act in ways which seem diametrically opposed to what their religions' founders preached.

    Do also try to have a crack off junior cert level comprehension. I have no idea if you or MSG have empathy or not. I'm merely asking what is wrong with being bleeding heart i.e. empathy? You're very quick to create an insult, assign it to my words and take offence. It's a bit snowflakish, innit.

    As for MSG, he's happily on ignore now, though I couldn't help notice the sneaky dig at Stephanie. I do wonder about him. I wonder why anyone would be so desperate to be considered "sweet" that they include that in their online name, and yet react so poisonously to any perceived (and usually innocuous) slight. You like that kind of thing?
    FFS. I'd happily drop some knowledge but Kant take your snobbery. I Nietzsche go to bed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by randaddy2017 View Post
    FFS. I'd happily drop some knowledge but Kant take your snobbery. I Nietzsche go to bed.
    I'm aFreud I Kanye understand ye

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bratsimpson1 View Post
    I'm aFreud I Kanye understand ye
    HAha, are you channeling this guy:




    Quote Originally Posted by irishdeltaforce View Post
    God is dead. Slave morality comes about as a reaction to master morality. Value emerges from the contrast between good and evil, good being associated with other worldliness, charity, piety, restraint, meekness, and submission & evil seen as worldly, cruel, selfish, wealthy, and aggressive.
    Sounds a lot like my first marriage.

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    Sounds a lot like my first marriage.
    I was never married to you.
    That bended knee proposal in Celtic Park was just too embarrassing!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Sweet Guy View Post
    I got to say someone showing their true colour as at least they honest and credit where credit due..

    But I too can be honest and be warn by other members to stay off limit and take their advice seriously....
    Ohh well I say a jolly good show and alright Geezer...
    Keep the thread on topic please. Steve

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    Quote Originally Posted by drbagehot View Post
    To a liberal like myself, being open-minded is all its about. The problem with that for most conservatives is they are fundamentally unable to distinguish between being disagreed with an being shut down. In fact, this is a prime example, when all I've done is respond to a number of posts where "liberal" is used as a term of abuse, and I've questioned why. Please try not to get all victimy on me for responding and challenging that. Nowhere did I say you were not entitled to your view or your right to express it. But not every opinion is entitled to respect, or to be immune from ridicule.

    I'm not going to compare cocks with you but you certainly do not have a monopoly on world experience.

    The Islamists have far more in common anyway with the ultraconservatives - the intolerance of other religious views, the blindness to science, the desire to mix church and state, and the propensity to act in ways which seem diametrically opposed to what their religions' founders preached.

    Do also try to have a crack off junior cert level comprehension. I have no idea if you or MSG have empathy or not. I'm merely asking what is wrong with being bleeding heart i.e. empathy? You're very quick to create an insult, assign it to my words and take offence. It's a bit snowflakish, innit.

    As for MSG, he's happily on ignore now, though I couldn't help notice the sneaky dig at Stephanie. I do wonder about him. I wonder why anyone would be so desperate to be considered "sweet" that they include that in their online name, and yet react so poisonously to any perceived (and usually innocuous) slight. You like that kind of thing?
    This guy is reminding me of some of bannon minions on media, similar tactics, ignore points of fact made pursue their own agenda irrespective of its relevance or even facts and throw personal insults and almost irrelevant statements to cloud the issues , especially when losing , take a look a guy saying that reporter has problems because he is obsessed with Trump tweets , you will see the similarities, do not waste your time here mate , even his actual opening statement is self contradicting in that he supports free speech but then goes on to to throw out useless snipes for his bromance buddy getting challenged. I got him on ignore !!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlessandraFan View Post
    It's what sets the islamists off too ya know. They be sitting there with Charlie Hebdo on ignore and then some dick quotes a cartoon and suddenly triggered fundamentalists.
    Possibly the post of the day, you do have Oscar Wilde thing goin on ,

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    Quote Originally Posted by beautyaddict View Post
    Possibly the post of the day, you do have Oscar Wilde thing goin on ,
    Witty and Wildean certainly, great post - indubitably, however on closer inspection, you'll probably find he's not a sweet guy either
    Last edited by Bratsimpson1; 08-06-17 at 08:23. Reason: Oh and read that literally!

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    It's time we moved on now...

    Quote Originally Posted by Best Before View Post
    Chop off their Internet!!

    That's how the radicalise all these young people. Not all of them started of Muslim btw. Most the terrorists are normal civilians that are disillusioned with life and want to "stick it to the man"
    ISIS provide that platform for those young people.
    The governments need to provide them with an alternative to ISIS or stop feeding the corporate excess, and find away to redistribute the worlds wealth.
    Here is an Article I was reading this morning and I touched on it's subject matter earlier in the week. I genuinely think if the worlds could collectively prevent the distribution of ISIS message getting out to the world, it would do far more damage than bombing up small training-camps/villages in Syria to knock out a handful of the terrorists. We already know they don't mind dying of the sake of the cause, why would killing a few more make and difference? Cut off their VOICE and that's when they will suffer.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/irela...rnet-1.3111168


    Quote Originally Posted by Irish Times View Post
    As Isis territory shrinks it will rely more on internet
    Jihadists routed on Twitter but pressure needed to keep them offline

    Maura Conway
    US-led forces have targeted Isis social media “experts” and strategists, such as the drone killing last August of Isis second-in-command, Syrian-born Abu Muhammad al-Adnani in Aleppo.


    No organisation continues to commit the time, people, and money that the so-called Islamic State has put into its online media campaign over the last few years without evidence that it is getting a return on its investment.
    Fears about Isis and its supporters are based, not insignificantly, on its ability to exploit the internet, by spreading its extremist ideology and by being potentially able to persuade individuals to engage directly in terrorist acts.
    Relatively few Isis terrorists, however, have been radicalised solely by online means. Nevertheless, in our hyper-connected world the internet is implicated in almost all contemporary terrorism, whether, for example, as a radicalisation tool or for planning attacks.
    Concerns have been raised, in particular, regarding the easy access to large volumes of terrorism-promoting content on heavily-trafficked social media platforms such as Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube.
    In the wake of the London attacks, British prime minister Theresa May issued a warning to those companies, saying that they continue to provide extremist ideology the “safe space it needs to breed”.
    Violent content
    So what’s to be done? In fact, quite a lot has changed since Islamic State’s social media heyday in 2014 and 2015, when its ability to produce and easily circulate high-quality, if often horrifically violent, content was at its height.
    Since then, United States-led forces have targeted Isis social media “experts” and strategists, such as the drone killing in August 2016 of Isis second-in-command, Syrian-born Abu Muhammad al-Adnani and, a month later, its “minister of information” Wa’il al-Fayad.
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    Terrorism threat: assessing Ireland’s ability to respond

    Even if Twitter and other social media companies continue to be criticised for their failures to stop the propagation of the Isis message online, the reality is that much has changed over the last three years.
    Between September and December 2014 it was estimated that there were 46,000 to 90,000 pro-Isis active Twitter accounts, but we could find fewer than a thousand pro-Isis Twitter accounts with at least one follower between February and April this year.

    So-called caliph
    Explicitly pro-Isis accounts, such as those using an image of a prominent Isis figure (eg the so-called caliph al-Baghdadi) for their profile picture or bearing similarities to previously suspended accounts, can today be exceedingly short-lived.
    Often they last for only hours. Sometimes, they last only minutes. The result has been dramatic. In 2014, the median number of followers enjoyed by pro-Isis accounts was 177. Today, it is 14, a fall 92 per cent. Isis’s previously strong and vibrant Twitter community is now, therefore, virtually non-existent.
    The routing of Isis from Twitter does not, of course, equal its disappearance from the internet. Many former Twitter account holders have relocated to the Telegram messaging app.
    Established in 2013, Telegram was initially similar to WhatsApp, but the introduction of its “channels” feature in September 2015 has rendered it into a more obscure version of Twitter, but one that can operate effectively in the shadows, particularly given its encryption capacities and self-destructing secret chats function.
    Official Isis Telegram channels are subject to some disruption, but generally they reappear. There are, however, numerous semi-official and Isis “fan” channels in a range of languages which are currently active on the service.
    So whilst Isis’s reach via Telegram is less than via Twitter, the echo chamber effect may be greater as Telegram channel “owners” have much greater control over who joins their channels than was available on Twitter.
    Meanwhile, Islamic State’s content is also available on a range of content-upload sites. Its online magazines, in particular, continue to be widely available and to receive considerable publicity in the western press.
    Online influence
    The best known such publication produced by the group is the monthly Rumiyah or “Rome”, issue seven of which was simultaneously pushed out over at least 20 social media and content upload sites.
    While some dispute Isis’s online influence, there does appear to be a link between the types of attacks advocated by the online magazines and subsequent acts by Isis-related attackers.
    The recent rash of knife and vehicle attacks, encouraged and celebrated by Isis magazines, may simply be copycats of other similar attacks, which points to the complex interplay of online and “real world” influences.
    Some commentators believe that the internet is going to have an increased role for Isis in the immediate future in the face of loss of “real world” territory and have thus predicted a retreat to online spaces.
    So what more can be done? Well, Facebook and Twitter can keep doing what they have been doing to curb the promulgation of explicitly pro-Isis content. Other companies can improve on what they have been doing.
    Meanwhile, calls to ban encryption will grab headlines, but threaten to break the internet if they were followed. Instead, the creators of the newest revolutionary social media apps need to be reached out to to ensure that these do not inadvertently become Isis’s next online hub. Prof Maura Conway lectures in the school of law and government, DCU, and is co-ordinator of VOX-Pol, an EU-funded project on violent online political extremism
    “Be yourself; everyone else is already taken.” - Oscar Wilde

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    Quote Originally Posted by beautyaddict View Post
    This guy is reminding me of some of bannon minions on media, similar tactics, ignore points of fact made pursue their own agenda irrespective of its relevance or even facts and throw personal insults and almost irrelevant statements to cloud the issues , especially when losing , take a look a guy saying that reporter has problems because he is obsessed with Trump tweets , you will see the similarities, do not waste your time here mate , even his actual opening statement is self contradicting in that he supports free speech but then goes on to to throw out useless snipes for his bromance buddy getting challenged. I got him on ignore !!!
    You've got a head like a Romulan. Will you get back in your box and shut up before you scare the other EI posters.

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