Prostitution exposé on RTE tomorrow night.

[Best Before]

I watched the RTE programme with interest.

I would like to make a few points;

I have no doubt the programme was fatual. We all know this sort of "business" is going on. As other posters said, you can spot the "managed/pimped/ agency" girls easily. Fact is if guy avoided these dodgy profiles then these gangsters would go out of business fast.

The programme identified approx 100 girls who are "managed by these gangs" That leaves over 700 who's work and movements are not managed by gangs. So approximately 12% of escorts were represented in that programme. The programme represented 1/8 of the Industry in Ireland and ignored the remainder. I do agree that no woman should be "managed" in this way. I would agree that 100 girls managed in this way is 100 too many but the programme ignored the lifestyles of the vast majority of escorts working in Ireland today.

RTE has spent a long time finding out this information. Yet the Gardai seem powerless to deal with it? Why? Surely to goodness the evidence is there and more importantly the women involved could be rescued!! Every day a woman is managed is one day too many.

We saw women lodging money with Western Union. The reporter said at one point that they were sending money home to families. The programme made no attempt to show how much of the money the women were transferring to their own or their family accounts at home. It didn't show how much of the money the Gangs were taking for themselves.

So the new law to criminalise clients of all escorts is based on the fact that 12% of escorts may be organised by criminal gangs? I accept that 12% is 12% too much. But... If RTE can track the movements of these gangs and take pictures of them meeting in a house in Tyrone why are the Gardai not using the existing laws to put these people out of business?

As an aside I see that TD Mick Wallace is due to be jailed for 30 days for not paying a fine for an incident in Shannon Airport. So lets see... a TD is going to prison for committing a "crime of conscience" while these scumbags collect the dole and take the state to court for non payment of dole.

I believe these gangs could easily be put out of business. But in doing so, the argument of those who would criminalise clients would be considerably weakened. I am beginning to wonder if these gangs are being allowed to do their nasty work uninterrupted at the expense and misery of these poor women in order to get this utterly stupid legislation over the line?

I have said it before, clients are the best ally the police have in fighting these criminals. I can only speak for myself but I am sure many of the lads here would agree. If I encountered a woman whom I thought was cohersed, I would immediately ring a confidential line to report her situation if I knew they would not come after me.


Meanwhile the 700 escorts who are not managed by gangs. Who don't get moved around the country every Tuesday, who have their own apartment homes and who work when and if they want, who fly home and back alone whenever they want, who want to do this work..... are to have their livelihoods destroyed because the law is this country is an ass and won't tackle the gangs whose faces were on Television, whose car registrations are known, who are known to be in North King Street Dublin every Tuesday, who regularly visit the house where the boss Anton? lives in Tyrone........

Meanwhile if I get caught breaking a speed limit on an open motorway and don't pay the fine.. I end up in court.

Am I correct? Am I missing the point?

Would there be anything to be gained from closing down these Western Union type transfers, or at least find away of regulating them. Because it looked to me that the girls were being forced to make the transactions into undoubtedly criminals accounts.

[Lucy Chambers]

I watched the RTE programme with interest.

I would like to make a few points;

I have no doubt the programme was fatual. We all know this sort of "business" is going on. As other posters said, you can spot the "managed/pimped/ agency" girls easily. Fact is if guy avoided these dodgy profiles then these gangsters would go out of business fast.

The programme identified approx 100 girls who are "managed by these gangs" That leaves over 700 who's work and movements are not managed by gangs. So approximately 12% of escorts were represented in that programme. The programme represented 1/8 of the Industry in Ireland and ignored the remainder. I do agree that no woman should be "managed" in this way. I would agree that 100 girls managed in this way is 100 too many but the programme ignored the lifestyles of the vast majority of escorts working in Ireland today.

RTE has spent a long time finding out this information. Yet the Gardai seem powerless to deal with it? Why? Surely to goodness the evidence is there and more importantly the women involved could be rescued!! Every day a woman is managed is one day too many.

We saw women lodging money with Western Union. The reporter said at one point that they were sending money home to families. The programme made no attempt to show how much of the money the women were transferring to their own or their family accounts at home. It didn't show how much of the money the Gangs were taking for themselves.

So the new law to criminalise clients of all escorts is based on the fact that 12% of escorts may be organised by criminal gangs? I accept that 12% is 12% too much. But... If RTE can track the movements of these gangs and take pictures of them meeting in a house in Tyrone why are the Gardai not using the existing laws to put these people out of business?

As an aside I see that TD Mick Wallace is due to be jailed for 30 days for not paying a fine for an incident in Shannon Airport. So lets see... a TD is going to prison for committing a "crime of conscience" while these scumbags collect the dole and take the state to court for non payment of dole.

I believe these gangs could easily be put out of business. But in doing so, the argument of those who would criminalise clients would be considerably weakened. I am beginning to wonder if these gangs are being allowed to do their nasty work uninterrupted at the expense and misery of these poor women in order to get this utterly stupid legislation over the line?

I have said it before, clients are the best ally the police have in fighting these criminals. I can only speak for myself but I am sure many of the lads here would agree. If I encountered a woman whom I thought was cohersed, I would immediately ring a confidential line to report her situation if I knew they would not come after me.


Meanwhile the 700 escorts who are not managed by gangs. Who don't get moved around the country every Tuesday, who have their own apartment homes and who work when and if they want, who fly home and back alone whenever they want, who want to do this work..... are to have their livelihoods destroyed because the law is this country is an ass and won't tackle the gangs whose faces were on Television, whose car registrations are known, who are known to be in North King Street Dublin every Tuesday, who regularly visit the house where the boss Anton? lives in Tyrone........

Meanwhile if I get caught breaking a speed limit on an open motorway and don't pay the fine.. I end up in court.

Am I correct? Am I missing the point?

I think you have the point. One problem though is with the numbers. There may be 800 adverts but there aren't 800 escorts behind them. Many will have two profiles. Some will be massage or domme, some will be fakes. Some will be profiles that are given to the latest girl to get her started. So, being generous, let's say there are 500 active escorts. That makes that approximately 100 exploited girls figure slightly more troubling then.

[Best Before]

Just a quick point no last nights documentary. It' seems prices are well down €50 for the half hour with a full no holds barred service. That's After a thorough investigation by our national broadcaster.
No any ladie I met over the years was a cute business woman who provided services she wanted and charged a lot more than fifty euro something not adding up

I think they are going on advertised services and phone conversations. Most of us know here it's an entirely different story once you hand over the cash. Doubt the reporter took it this far.

[Stella]

I watched the RTE programme with interest.

I would like to make a few points;

I have no doubt the programme was fatual. We all know this sort of "business" is going on. As other posters said, you can spot the "managed/pimped/ agency" girls easily. Fact is if guy avoided these dodgy profiles then these gangsters would go out of business fast.

The programme identified approx 100 girls who are "managed by these gangs" That leaves over 700 who's work and movements are not managed by gangs. So approximately 12% of escorts were represented in that programme. The programme represented 1/8 of the Industry in Ireland and ignored the remainder. I do agree that no woman should be "managed" in this way. I would agree that 100 girls managed in this way is 100 too many but the programme ignored the lifestyles of the vast majority of escorts working in Ireland today.

RTE has spent a long time finding out this information. Yet the Gardai seem powerless to deal with it? Why? Surely to goodness the evidence is there and more importantly the women involved could be rescued!! Every day a woman is managed is one day too many.

We saw women lodging money with Western Union. The reporter said at one point that they were sending money home to families. The programme made no attempt to show how much of the money the women were transferring to their own or their family accounts at home. It didn't show how much of the money the Gangs were taking for themselves.

So the new law to criminalise clients of all escorts is based on the fact that 12% of escorts may be organised by criminal gangs? I accept that 12% is 12% too much. But... If RTE can track the movements of these gangs and take pictures of them meeting in a house in Tyrone why are the Gardai not using the existing laws to put these people out of business?

As an aside I see that TD Mick Wallace is due to be jailed for 30 days for not paying a fine for an incident in Shannon Airport. So lets see... a TD is going to prison for committing a "crime of conscience" while these scumbags collect the dole and take the state to court for non payment of dole.

I believe these gangs could easily be put out of business. But in doing so, the argument of those who would criminalise clients would be considerably weakened. I am beginning to wonder if these gangs are being allowed to do their nasty work uninterrupted at the expense and misery of these poor women in order to get this utterly stupid legislation over the line?

I have said it before, clients are the best ally the police have in fighting these criminals. I can only speak for myself but I am sure many of the lads here would agree. If I encountered a woman whom I thought was cohersed, I would immediately ring a confidential line to report her situation if I knew they would not come after me.


Meanwhile the 700 escorts who are not managed by gangs. Who don't get moved around the country every Tuesday, who have their own apartment homes and who work when and if they want, who fly home and back alone whenever they want, who want to do this work..... are to have their livelihoods destroyed because the law is this country is an ass and won't tackle the gangs whose faces were on Television, whose car registrations are known, who are known to be in North King Street Dublin every Tuesday, who regularly visit the house where the boss Anton? lives in Tyrone........

Meanwhile if I get caught breaking a speed limit on an open motorway and don't pay the fine.. I end up in court.

Am I correct? Am I missing the point?

While I do agree with ya post made me giggle, since majority of clients not reading boards, or just being ignorant horny men, no unfortunately they won't stop visiting those dodgy profiles, it's only common sense for those who are regular posters her I'd say 15-20%....

Easy example got a call while I was in the shop and a text message straight after, which I answered less that 15mins, reply back "ohh sorry made an appointment with someone else" most clients won't plan their visit in advance, therefore they'll call dodgy profiles too!

[Quattroporte]

I posted before but it was removed so there’s not much point repeating myself and thoughts about E-I.
So, ignoring the problems with E-I, I think It’s time clients had a look at themselves. Established members and escorts saying go see a girl with verified pics and reviews and it's sure to be fine legitimises a broken system. We all know how many warnings, complaints and reviews get removed. Does no one ask why?

Those phone calls recorded from clients; 20% asking for bareback, “is it everything for 50, what do I get for 50, I’m a respectable businessman who expects a good service.” They are appalling. Does posting here and pretending there are a huge number of ladies escorting completely unconnected to criminality prop up a shiny facade to an almost completely rotten industry.

[Best Before]

I think you have the point. One problem though is with the numbers. There may be 800 adverts but there aren't 800 escorts behind them. Many will have two profiles. Some will be massage or domme, some will be fakes. Some will be profiles that are given to the latest girl to get her started. So, being generous, let's say there are 500 active escorts. That makes that approximately 100 exploited girls figure slightly more troubling then.

And out of that 500 i'd be surprised if there was 200 truly independent escorts/ legit agency girls.
I'm not saying the others are all being trafficked, but perhaps to make it in this industry as an foreigner you have to avail of the services of the pimps and play the game.

[Lucy Chambers]

Would there be anything to be gained from closing down these Western Union type transfers, or at least find away of regulating them. Because it looked to me that the girls were being forced to make the transactions into undoubtedly criminals accounts.

Western Union are regulated. If you send over a thousand pounds or equivalent you have to be able to show ID, as does the person picking up the cash. If they are suspicious of a transaction they are supposed to flag it to the relevant authority. it isn't an account, as such. You send money and pay a portion in commission to western union. They then send it to the place of your choice and the collector has to show ID, but then receives the money in cash. It can be collected from many different outlets, from banks to supermarkets. I think I used Publix in the US.

[Quattroporte]

And out of that 500 i'd be surprised if there was 200 truly independent escorts/ legit agency girls.
I'm not saying the others are all being trafficked, but perhaps to make it in this industry as an foreigner you have to avail of the services of the pimps and play the game.

I agree. Perhaps it's time for the game to stop

[Lucy Chambers]

I posted before but it was removed so there’s not much point repeating myself and thoughts about E-I.
So, ignoring the problems with E-I, I think It’s time clients had a look at themselves. Established members and escorts saying go see a girl with verified pics and reviews and it's sure to be fine legitimises a broken system. We all know how many warnings, complaints and reviews get removed. Does no one ask why?

Those phone calls recorded from clients; 20% asking for bareback, “is it everything for 50, what do I get for 50, I’m a respectable businessman who expects a good service.” They are appalling. Does posting here and pretending there are a huge number of ladies escorting completely unconnected to criminality prop up a shiny facade to an almost completely rotten industry.

Speaking for myself, I would think twice about questioning profiles online. Romanian pimps can be somewhat violent, discretion before valour and all that. Completely agree about the rest though, it's a sad thing when you have so many people willing to,play Russian roulette with not only their own health but that of their significant other.

[Best Before]

Western Union are regulated. If you send over a thousand pounds or equivalent you have to be able to show ID, as does the person picking up the cash. If they are suspicious of a transaction they are supposed to flag it to the relevant authority. it isn't an account, as such. You send money and pay a portion in commission to western union. They then send it to the place of your choice and the collector has to show ID, but then receives the money in cash. It can be collected from many different outlets, from banks to supermarkets. I think I used Publix in the US.

How regulated is it though, most of the Western Union outlets are corner shops or Chinese phone fixings places. Probably being run by the very criminals laundering the money. Does it not look suspicious a young girl transferring of thousands of euro on a weekly basis all the time being escorted around by a bodyguard. How much more suspicious does it have to get!! Do you happen to know what agency regulates it, or is it self regulating?