Sexual offences Bill

[redone7010]

Why are you talking to me like I don't know what the law is about? I wrote a submission to the DAIL apposing it and have attended a meeting with Lord Morrow and the DUP cronnies present, so I do have an inkling.

They do have to have some proof. They cannot rely on hearsay and guess work. If a client is stupid enough to be approached and admit to having just paid for sex then that is their look out, but the rule is... deny, deny, deny and say as little as possible.

Also, if that is the case, how come that sex work has not been eradicated in Sweden a decade on?

Lord Morrow and the DUP are only involved with the law governing Northern Ireland, not the Republic, and as far as deny deny deny is concerned if you read Zicooo`s repost on this thread of a post by Highlander of to exactly what the law will be in the Republic, deny will have little effect when it comes to a prosecution under this law.

It`s a profession that will never be eradicated, but with this new law it will greatly reduce the numbers prepared to take the chance of visiting an escort.

[Curvaceous Kate]

Lord Morrow and the DUP are only involved with the law governing Northern Ireland, not the Republic, and as far as deny deny deny is concerned if you read Zicooo`s repost on this thread of a post by Highlander of to exactly what the law will be in the Republic, deny will have little effect when it comes to a prosecution under this law.

It`s a profession that will never be eradicated, but with this new law it will greatly reduce the numbers prepared to take the chance of visiting an escort.

I also know that about Morrow being involved with the North, but he isn't involved with the DAIL is he? I'm not sure why you needed to tell me something I already know, as what I'm showing is knowledge on both sides.

The law has not come out yet in the Republic. The law does have to follow procedure and clients will have to make educated decisions on who they go see. If a place is well known or a street etc, then it makes sense to steer clear of it. If someone is not being discreet, then they are making their own problems. No more bragging to your friends after a few bevvies etc.

Not all Escorts are one dimensional. Some have other qualifications and reasons why you may be seeing them.

All I can say is that you have to do what is right for you and I think it is pretty clear that for you continuing would not be an option.

[redone7010]

I also know that about Morrow being involved with the North, but he isn't involved with the DAIL is he? I'm not sure why you needed to tell me something I already know, as what I'm showing is knowledge on both sides.

The law has not come out yet in the Republic. The law does have to follow procedure and clients will have to make educated decisions on who they go see. If a place is well known or a street etc, then it makes sense to steer clear of it. If someone is not being discreet, then they are making their own problems. No more bragging to your friends after a few bevvies etc.

Not all Escorts are one dimensional. Some have other qualifications and reasons why you may be seeing them.

All I can say is that you have to do what is right for you and I think it is pretty clear that for you continuing would not be an option.

The only procedure garda will need to follow when this new law comes into force is sit outside where they suspect an escort is working, take the name and address of anyone leaving. Once they have a few names, all of these punters will end up in court on the same day. I cannot see any reasons they could give to counter the garda`s contention that they were there for the purpose of purchsing sexual favours.
All it will take is a few such cases and the publicity they will garne,r for the vast majority of punters to look on visiting an escort as just too dangerous.

[Zealot7]

All it will take is a few such cases and the publicity they will garne,r for the vast majority of punters to look on visiting an escort as just too dangerous.

I can't see myself being one to be honest.

Telling you dude, you're giving the authorities waaaay too much credit!!!

[Young Banger]

Other than prosecution regarding a brothel they had little or no powers to prosecute punters. That`s changed now with this new law, and under it the odd raid here and there with punters being named in open court and the papers being more than eager to publish the names and addresses of the punters it will be all they need to scare the vast majority of punters off visiing escorts.

sort of like the farmer hanging up a dead crow, keep others away as theyre scared

[Curvaceous Kate]

The only procedure garda will need to follow when this new law comes into force is sit outside where they suspect an escort is working, take the name and address of anyone leaving. Once they have a few names, all of these punters will end up in court on the same day. I cannot see any reasons they could give to counter the garda`s contention that they were there for the purpose of purchsing sexual favours.
All it will take is a few such cases and the publicity they will garne,r for the vast majority of punters to look on visiting an escort as just too dangerous.

Even a speeding fine requires photographic evidence or an on the spot fine showing the speed that had been recorded. Accordingly, they can't just say you were there, so therefore you 'must' have paid for sex. Poor delivery guy or take away delivery or plumber for that matter.

Way too simplistic. Even in Sweden they do question the person when they come out of the apartment and get them to confess what they have been doing and who they have been seeing. They don't fine the person until they have admitted it.

You simply can not take someone to court based on a suspicion. They have to either have a confession or evidence, otherwise each case will be a 'not guilty m' lard' and they would look rather stupid.

[TonyB]

The only procedure garda will need to follow when this new law comes into force is sit outside where they suspect an escort is working, take the name and address of anyone leaving. Once they have a few names, all of these punters will end up in court on the same day. I cannot see any reasons they could give to counter the garda`s contention that they were there for the purpose of purchsing sexual favours.
All it will take is a few such cases and the publicity they will garne,r for the vast majority of punters to look on visiting an escort as just too dangerous.

I went to visit an escort but when there she introduced me to religion and we said some prayers.
She bored the arse off me so I didn't bother giving her a rattle and left.

Prove otherwise.
Give my name to the press, publish anything and I'll sue

What you think?

[Meursault]

Garda: DID YOU PAY FOR SEX?

YOU: Wheres my solicitor....

[TonyB]

Garda: DID YOU PAY FOR SEX?

YOU: Wheres my solicitor....

You : She paid me. I'm doing an out call

[Davidontour]

Once this law comes into effect, it will be an individual choice as to how clients will act.

We all know that the likes of ruhama read these forums and draw their own conclusions, which on past form are usually wrong but suit their agenda. They recently claimed that NI punters are going to stampede over the border to ravish every escort in sight, possiby based on a satirical post featuring a fleet of Ulster buses. Yes they really are that stupid.

So I think it's worth saying that a lot of what's posted needs to be taken with a large pinch of salt. Clients who say they'll give up may well have no intention of doing so and everyone needs to work out their own strategy and weigh up the risks. I don't know about everyone else here but I already assumed it was illegal when I started several years ago and I think most of the public did as well.

As Kate said earlier, the law in Sweden hasn't stopped the sex trade by any means. It has changed and adapted, but the ones who have suffered the most have not in general been clients, but sex workers themselves and if the proponents of these bills were being honest (as was the case in Canada last year) they would admit that this is their aim.