Ched Evans

[Zoidberg]

When did she get that drunk to not be able to give consent to have sex with Evans?

She was pissed walking into the hotel, the judge in the case said the following at trial:

"CCTV footage shows, in my view, the extent of her intoxication when she stumbled into your friend."

Remember if you are drinking all night your final drinks may not push you over the edge until it's too late. We have all heard people remembering leaving a club/pub but not knowing how they got home.

[Lucy Chambers]

Were you there? Twelve people saw the footage. Twelve people saw the evidence. Twelve people convicted him. The judge only passed the term. Feck, a young girl was used brutally no matter how you dress it up.

she jointly accused both men of rape. That is very easy to understand. If mcdonald had been found guilty he would be a convicted rapist also. The fact that he wasnt and evans was, when she both accused them is an inconsistency.

from a psychological point of view, it is the reason it is being debated. if both men were found guilty, we would be talking about timewasters or some escorts new pictures on this forum

It's a point of law. Of consent and the capability to give it. It's somewhat disingenuous to claim she accused both men of rape, she made a statement and two men were arrested for it. The evidence brought before the court was enough for one man to claim consent, and not the other, directly due to his actions. If you read the transcripts of the case you will discover that on most points she didn't accuse anyone of anything because she couldn't remember most of the evening. Hence she thought she had been drugged.


Anyhow. Yuck. Horrible debate and horrible thoughts from people. I'm off to the land of fluff.

[Best Before]

Any job that anyone in the same position could take would be just fine. Most sex offenders have difficulty gaining employment, with good reason, would you want to work with one? Or should they all write the story of their rape so we can decide if it's ok before they sit at the next desk?

Well I would think keep him away from a female dominated job, but a less female dominated profession to football I cannot think off.

[Rachel Divine]

She was pissed walking into the hotel, the judge in the case said the following at trial:

"CCTV footage shows, in my view, the extent of her intoxication when she stumbled into your friend."

Remember if you are drinking all night your final drinks may not push you over the edge until it's too late. We have all heard people remembering leaving a club/pub but not knowing how they got home.

Link to the article please.

[Meursault]

She didn't. She reported her handbag lost and a possible spiking of a drink. As a result two men were arrested and taken to court. One was found innocent because it could be shown that she chose to accompany him. Ched Evans, in answering his text and persuading a receptionist to give him a key could not offer the same defence.


To the person who said he has served his sentence, well of course he has. However all criminals who have a serious sex offence on their records are required to disclose it. Upon that most employers will not employ the person. I'm afraid in this instance it's the law.

can you at least see the inconsistency of the whole debacle. two men accused. one gets off, one doesnt. they say she gave consent; she says she cant remember.

can someone who is schooled in law at least tell me that the judge should have instructed to the jury to either find them both guilt or both not guilty to avoid basically what is happening now

[samlad]

It's a point of law. Of consent and the capability to give it. It's somewhat disingenuous to claim she accused both men of rape, she made a statement and two men were arrested for it. The evidence brought before the court was enough for one man to claim consent, and not the other, directly due to his actions. If you read the transcripts of the case you will discover that on most points she didn't accuse anyone of anything because she couldn't remember most of the evening. Hence she thought she had been drugged.


Anyhow. Yuck. Horrible debate and horrible thoughts from people. I'm off to the land of fluff.

Well, I'm glad that I'm not up for a crime with this lot being my jury

[Curious k]

Not the same thing, and you know it

maybe if he put a sign above the Taxi saying Convicted Rapist driving this car, and let the public decide if they want to get into the car it might be closer to the situation!!

How is it not the same. Go back to the post that I replied to and tell me that the same analogy does not apply. It's actually the exact same. That guy Steve said " Evans was convicted of rape, he was not convicted to never work again" and you agreed with that? Now why doesn't the same apply to Larry Murphy? Do you know why? I do? Because you all are talking crap. If it directly affected any of you lot, you'd want him away!

The fact is he's now a convicted rapist, like any other rapist. You might think he's an up class rapist and Larry is a low life rapist. Maybe that's how you differentiate these things. Me and other compassionate people, put all rapists in the same bracket. I certainly wouldn't let Evans babysit. And I certainly wouldn't want him to taxi a female loved one around. And that's how the fans of that club feel. They don't want a rapist. And they won't have one, he'll never play for a club again, and rightly so.

[samlad]

can you at least see the inconsistency of the whole debacle. two men accused. one gets off, one doesnt. they say she gave consent; she says she cant remember.

can someone who is schooled in law at least tell me that the judge should have instructed to the jury to either find them both guilt or both not guilty to avoid basically what is happening now

The simple bones of it is that you are judging the issue superficially from what you have read in the media. When I was a child, if my brother and sister did something wrong and I was present, all three of us got a clout, because my parents then thought it's not fair hitting two and not the other. That's sort of your principal here.

[Zoidberg]

Not the same thing, and you know it

maybe if he put a sign above the Taxi saying Convicted Rapist driving this car, and let the public decide if they want to get into the car it might be closer to the situation!!

A lot of the female public associated with Sheffield United have decided and want nothing to do with the club if he's going to be involved.

Link to the article please.

with pleasure

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-17781842

[Best Before]

Were you there? Twelve people saw the footage. Twelve people saw the evidence. Twelve people convicted him. The judge only passed the term. Feck, a young girl was used brutally no matter how you dress it up.

Lucy, you have quoted me out of context there. I was replying to Curios K comment about letting Larry Murphy drive taxi's. I don't agree with that has it could leave a another female in a taxi on her own without her knowledge he was a convicted rapist!!
A convicted rapist playing football is not the same thing.
Do you agree Lucy?