15 year old trafficked for sex

[the traveller]

I find TORL presentation hard to believe for the following reasons.

It is not easy for criminals to engage in this acitvity:

Sex trafficking is illegal and the pentities are very severe. It is very difficult to force someone to be a sex slave, they would have to have 24 hour guards posted and be watched 365 days a year, 24 hours per day. Have the threat of violence if they refused, and have no one notice and complain to the authorities or police. They would need to hide from the general public yet still manage to see customers from the general public and not have the customers turn the traffickers in to the police. They would need to provide them with medical care, food, shelter, and have all their basic needs met. They would need to have the sex slaves put on a fake front that they enjoyed what they were doing, act flirtatious and do their job well. They would have to deal with the authorities looking for the missing women, and hide any money they may make, since it comes from illegal activity. They must do all of this while constantly trying to prevent the sex slaves from escaping and reporting them to the police. They would need to prevent the general public from reporting them into the police. This is extremely difficult to do, which makes this activity rare. These criminals would be breaking dozens of major laws not just one. Kidnapping itself is a serious crime. There are many laws against sex trafficking, sex slavery, kidnapping, sex abuse, rape, sexual harassment etc. If someone is behind it, they will be breaking many serious laws, be in big trouble, and will go to jail for many long years.

The numbers and scale of this crime is exaggerated. The very nature of someone pulling off a kidnapping and forced sex for profit appears to be very difficult. Since it would be difficult this makes this crime rare.


From The Myth of Sex Trafficking and Sex Slavery, Research, Lies, Facts, Fact Sheet, Truth about Human Trafficking statistics and Prostitution

Originally posted by milkman here https://www.escort-ireland.com/board...ng-sex-workers

I realise that this is possible but find it very convenient for TORL that these stories are always rolled out before they lobby politicians.

[Curvaceous Kate]

I find TORL presentation hard to believe for the following reasons.

It is not easy for criminals to engage in this acitvity:

Sex trafficking is illegal and the pentities are very severe. It is very difficult to force someone to be a sex slave, they would have to have 24 hour guards posted and be watched 365 days a year, 24 hours per day. Have the threat of violence if they refused, and have no one notice and complain to the authorities or police. They would need to hide from the general public yet still manage to see customers from the general public and not have the customers turn the traffickers in to the police. They would need to provide them with medical care, food, shelter, and have all their basic needs met. They would need to have the sex slaves put on a fake front that they enjoyed what they were doing, act flirtatious and do their job well. They would have to deal with the authorities looking for the missing women, and hide any money they may make, since it comes from illegal activity. They must do all of this while constantly trying to prevent the sex slaves from escaping and reporting them to the police. They would need to prevent the general public from reporting them into the police. This is extremely difficult to do, which makes this activity rare. These criminals would be breaking dozens of major laws not just one. Kidnapping itself is a serious crime. There are many laws against sex trafficking, sex slavery, kidnapping, sex abuse, rape, sexual harassment etc. If someone is behind it, they will be breaking many serious laws, be in big trouble, and will go to jail for many long years.

The numbers and scale of this crime is exaggerated. The very nature of someone pulling off a kidnapping and forced sex for profit appears to be very difficult. Since it would be difficult this makes this crime rare.


From The Myth of Sex Trafficking and Sex Slavery, Research, Lies, Facts, Fact Sheet, Truth about Human Trafficking statistics and Prostitution

Originally posted by milkman here https://www.escort-ireland.com/board...ng-sex-workers

I realise that this is possible but find it very convenient for TORL that these stories are always rolled out before they lobby politicians.

Not when their petrified to leave, believing they are always watched. They would likely not be working alone and there would likely be someone there assisting with getting the clients in and out, but not necessarily in the role of guard, but eyes and ears.

I do think that the statistics are all wrong, but then when did a politician ever be honest about statistics? There are already laws in place for pimps and traffickers, but they don't use the powers given to them or the sentences available to them far enough. Only recently there was a case that went to court in the North and I don't think the punishments were half severe enough.

Can 2 years custodial sentence really be enough to put someone off knowing how much they can earn doing this? Remember that most sentences are halved for good behaviour.

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[Davidontour]

I find it interesting that there is such a Irish tide of protest regarding the relatively small (but horrific) trafficking issue, as opposed to the infinitely greater scope of the clerical abuse scandals.

Thousands of Irish children were raped and abused over many decades with the full knowledge of many in the church hierarchy. These vile crimes were denied and covered up from the top and the rapists moved elsewhere to claim even more victims. When finally found out, the church offered nothing more than apologies and the taxpayer is funding 85% of the compensation claims. Many of the 'top brass' are still in charge and the church is still allowed a major role in Irish society, the latest development being the reopening of the Vatican embassy.
This is in stark contrast to the vitriol poured on all sex workers in Ireland for the actions of a minority. It would appear that being rich, powerful and having God on your side can allow you to get away with anything.

There's absolutely no doubt that sex trafficking takes place and when discovered, the perpetrators should face the harshest penalties possible. Unfortunately for the likes of TOTR, trafficking is still happening in Sweden and the authorities there would be much better concentrating police resources on this type of crime rather than sitting outside a block of flats to apprehend someone bold enough to have sex with a consenting adult.

Sadly as so often happens, society and the judiciary choose the softest target in an attempt to be seen to be 'doing something', while the serious criminals simply adapt to the new system and carry on.

[The Equalizer]

Earlier I read the Article (and accompanying comments made by journal readers) which is the topic of discussion in this thread.

As nearly all members of the E-I Community are aware, there is an ongoing debate to consider the Enactment and Implementation of Swedish-style Legislation in regards to the Sex Industry in Ireland. And, as nearly all members of the E-I Community are also well aware, TORL and Ruhama are trying to “muddy the waters” in order to portray this industry in the worst possible light so as to portray themselves as some sort of “saviours” in order to secure more funding.

I have no doubt that said article was penned by Denise Charlton (or person with a similar/same agenda); said article is not only written in a manner that suits the agenda of TORL, but it is also full of inconsistencies.

From The Article
Comment

“I had a guy once he was on top of me holding by [the] throat in bed, I had his fingerprints on my throat for weeks,” the woman explains. “I was lucky that his friend walked in and his friend just pushed him off the bed. I couldn’t breathe for half an hour I was sitting there, like I was in shock for weeks and weeks after that.”
I assume that this person’s “friend” whom is being referred to was also a client.
First of all, anyone who rapes 15 year olds (as is being portrayed in the aforementioned article) would not tell anyone as to what they get up to with underage persons (for reasons which shouldn’t be too hard to figure out), let alone invite them along to participate.
Furthermore, as the human body cannot function without oxygen for more than a few seconds, it is not possible that a person whom was choked/strangled so forcefully (as is depicted in said article) could “not breathe for half an hour”.

She also tells a story of a time she was called to an old folk’s home, to have sex with a man who was about 80-years-old, who could “barely stand”.
I find this very hard to believe; firstly, such homes generally implement very strict “Visiting Hours” policies (and in many homes, visits may be strictly limited to family members only). Strangers cannot stroll casually into old folks home, so where did the lady referred to in the article find the opportunity to go ‘to an old folk’s home, to have sex with a man who was about 80-years-old, who could “barely stand”’.
The above highlighted scenario is, like the article, most likely a work of fiction.

For the first time ever the public and our policy makers will hear the truth about sex-trafficking, and not the ‘Pretty Woman’ fiction being peddled by vested interests in a €250 million trade.”
Would this “truth” be the lies that Denise Charlton has been peddling since (at least) 2012?
Denise Charlton (and others) have been afforded disproportionate amount of time to peddle lies which makes them look like “saviours” in order to secure funding, whilst those who will suffer (namely Independent Sex Workers) if Legislation were implemented on the recommendations of Denise Charlton (and others) have been afforded very little time to put forth their own Testimony.
In addition, during Consultation Hearings/Meetings held by Policy Makers (in particular, the Joint Oireachtas Committee [Justice]) any persons who spoke against Legislative Models which negatively impact upon the safety and well-being of Independent Sex Workers were treated with utter contempt.

[The Libertarian]

The reality is even if this story is absolutely kosher, criminalising civilised punters ala The Swedish model is the one sure way to make life much tougher for sex workers, trafficked or not!

[Jack in the Box]

If the story is verified the vast majority of people would not tolerate the treatment this person endured. The story is as much about the ICI trying to brainwash others into their way of thinking as it is about trafficking.

[Cable87]

Listen to that interview again folks, paying particular attention to the second half, especially the last minute or so. The main thing that stands out for me-- perhaps the only thing in this interview that I think probably is 100% true-- is her FEAR OF DEPORTATION.

Keep in mind that this woman is from Moldova, and that she EXPLICITLY STATES in this interview that the last thing she would want is to be sent back there. Also take note of the fact that many other rather dubious (and sometimes totally debunked) claims by women to have been trafficked here have only been made AFTER they faced pending deportation procedures, the same as this woman specifically says she was undergoing when she decided to 'come forward' with her story. Isn't the timing of her decision to 'come forward' rather CONVENIENT??? I'm not saying that this alone debunks or invalidates her claims, but take a look at it yourself, and put a bit of thought into it.

ICI deals regularly with foreign nationals who have entered the country for a variety of reasons, and have come into and stayed in the country under both legal and illegal circumstances. ICI KNOWS that, under most circumstances, someone who entered the country, and resided here illegally for an extended period of time, will almost definitely and invariably face inevitable DEPORTATION, if/when 'discovered', and deportation procedures get underway.

And ICI also knows that, short of being able to definitively prove legitimate, verified cases of fear of persecution and/or imminent threat of imprisonment or DEATH in their home country, that deportation is essentially inevitable. These cases are practically impossible to win. You all might remember that cases a few years ago where a group of refugees from Afghanistan took 'refuge' in a church in Dublin were all sent back, as they were unable to 'definitively prove' that they faced imminent danger of persecution if they were sent back there! It seems totally absurd to me, as this should be an OBVIOUS case, but no-- they all got sent back there in the end, supposedly unable to 'prove' their case...

But, ICI has one 'ace up their sleeve'. It's the ONE THING that seems to work EVERY TIME it's used in granting 'asylum' and/or otherwise 'forgiving' illegally entering or residing in the country, and that is the claim of having been trafficked for the purposes of sex. Other posters on this forum have openly claimed that numerous women, particularly ones from African nations, have used this claim as a means to be granted a sort of 'no questions asked' asylum, and that these claims have probably 'come to light' at rather questionable times, particularly when they come up very late in deportation procedures.

A suspicious person might think that these women were possibly being 'coached', 'advised', or 'directed' into making such claims, be they factual or patently false, because the ICI KNOWS that such a claim will be taken very seriously, and that in essentially all these cases, the claim will be ACCEPTED by the authorities (even COMPLETELY ABSENT of evidence), and will result in the practically-automatic granting of asylum/refugee status, thus allowing the claimant to STAY in the country.

I do not presume to tell ANYONE that what they claim has happened to them is 'false' or a 'lie', but I will point out that if other factors and specific details of individual cases are considered, than it most definitely could raise reasonable doubt and suspicion from those who care to take a critical look. For example, in this case in question: the women tells us that, after 7 YEARS of 'living in fear' of this man who (allegedly) did all these things to her, forcing her to have sex with 15+ men a day at one point, simply 'walked away' one day, and just never bothered with her again? And that she, the 7-year 'victim' in all this, apparently had NO DEFINITIVE INFORMATION to give to the police or International authorities to track him down and eventually arrest and prosecute him as a HUMAN TRAFFICKER!? No Phone numbers, no address, no car description/model/type?? No known 'associates' in all of this? Not a SINGLE ARREST? Just vanishes into thin air, NEVER to be heard from again? As I said, I'm not calling anyone a 'liar'; but I do find such claims, and the circumstances under which they were made, to be highly questionable and of dubious veracity.

[JMastodon]

For example, in this case in question: the women tells us that, after 7 YEARS of 'living in fear' of this man who (allegedly) did all these things to her, forcing her to have sex with 15+ men a day at one point, simply 'walked away' one day, and just never bothered with her again? And that she, the 7-year 'victim' in all this, apparently had NO DEFINITIVE INFORMATION to give to the police or International authorities to track him down and eventually arrest and prosecute him as a HUMAN TRAFFICKER!? No Phone numbers, no address, no car description/model/type?? No known 'associates' in all of this? Not a SINGLE ARREST? Just vanishes into thin air, NEVER to be heard from again? As I said, I'm not calling anyone a 'liar'; but I do find such claims, and the circumstances under which they were made, to be highly questionable and of dubious veracity.

That was the point I was making. I just don't get how she was terrified of him for 7 years and then all of a sudden she's able to get away from him so easily and he just disappears. If it was that easy to escape why didn't she attempt it a lot sooner?

[dob]

That was the point I was making. I just don't get how she was terrified of him for 7 years and then all of a sudden she's able to get away from him so easily and he just disappears. If it was that easy to escape why didn't she attempt it a lot sooner?

And seemingly not inform the fuzz about this person who 'bought' her.

[Larrii]

Listen to that interview again folks, paying particular attention to the second half, especially the last minute or so. The main thing that stands out for me-- perhaps the only thing in this interview that I think probably is 100% true-- is her FEAR OF DEPORTATION.
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I've said this before, trafficking is a new excuse for illegal immigrants. No docs needed, nothing is verifiable, your story is the only story.

I'm not saying she is an illegal immigrant. But anyone trafficked would normally want to be flown home at once, wouldn't they? So it seems odd to me that they want to hang around in the very same place where they've been treated so badly