Something I Need to Respond to

[LaBelleThatcher]

What are you talking about? Me quoting the daily mail? Very doubtful.

What you were actually doing, on a public board, at about the time you were trying to get into the JOC, was expounding your personal theory that as long as you leave Escorts alone it is perfectly ok to destroy the income of street workers because they can get everything anyone could possibly want on demand on welfare and must only b e using the money from sex work for drugs etc

This was part of the thinking you wanted to bring to the Justice Committee at that exact time.

You specifically included the UK in this at the time...where people are committing suicide because they can't afford to survive any more...on below subsistence welfare less the "bedroom tax" there is nowhere for them to downsize to to avoid.

Forgive me if I will never be overly keen for you to represent sex workers by expressing that kind of opinion to the JOC.

This is my cue to say that I realised, two days ago that the toxic little games I am constantly seeing and too often taking the brunt of from a minority of sex workers on these boards are starting to turn me against human beings, let alone sex workers!

It may not be representative of the sex industry as a whole but it is WAY too poisonous for me and there is nothing further to be achieved by sticking around and swallowing any more of it.

[Curvaceous Kate]

I think perhaps you have misread something there, as that is not my thinking.

I have some recollection as the the welfare thing, as we were debating it on a different forum and at the time I had thought that it was working properly, so that people did not have to go begging etc. However, I discovered through that debate that there was a certain cross section of society that were not looked after and were left out to dry. That is what debate is for. We are not all conditioned with the same input and life experiences and sometimes we learn as we go along.

During this conversation I acknowledged and admitted to not being aware of the loop hole that is evidently there and changed my views accordingly. I made this amendment publically, as I am not scared to show when I have been misled or lack understanding or am ignorant to facts.

Isn't that what life is about? Learning from each other and progressing? Why keep your original thoughts when mine have moved on?

Having said all that. You come from this at a different angle, you come from the street angle and don't fully understand the angle of the indoor Sex Worker. As I said before, we all have room to learn from each other.

You may also want to read my submission again, where I do acknowledge street workers and certainly DO NOT condemn them.

[User300415]

What you were actually doing, on a public board, at about the time you were trying to get into the JOC, was expounding your personal theory that as long as you leave Escorts alone it is perfectly ok to destroy the income of street workers because they can get everything anyone could possibly want on demand on welfare and must only b e using the money from sex work for drugs etc

This was part of the thinking you wanted to bring to the Justice Committee at that exact time.

You specifically included the UK in this at the time...where people are committing suicide because they can't afford to survive any more...on below subsistence welfare less the "bedroom tax" there is nowhere for them to downsize to to avoid.

Forgive me if I will never be overly keen for you to represent sex workers by expressing that kind of opinion to the JOC.

This is my cue to say that I realised, two days ago that the toxic little games I am constantly seeing and too often taking the brunt of from a minority of sex workers on these boards are starting to turn me against human beings, let alone sex workers!

It may not be representative of the sex industry as a whole but it is WAY too poisonous for me and there is nothing further to be achieved by sticking around and swallowing any more of it.

Brilliant. Great news.

[LaBelleThatcher]

I have some recollection as the the welfare thing, as we were debating it on a different forum and at the time I had thought that it was working properly, so that people did not have to go begging etc. However, I discovered through that debate that there was a certain cross section of society that were not looked after and were left out to dry. That is what debate is for. We are not all conditioned with the same input and life experiences and sometimes we learn as we go along.

Which would have been too late to prevent you expressing those erroneous views to the JOC, who would have a very different mindset to a UK equivalent and would have been horrified with the effect of alienating them from anything you wished to say as vwell as REINFORCING anything TORL said...

Your ignorance of the true situation *FOR EVERYONE* meant you had insufficient knowledge of fact and reality to be able to go in to the JOC without doing far more harm than good and also suggest to me that you refuse to show your submission at all because it did contain similar statements.

Having said all that. You come from this at a different angle, you come from the street angle and don't fully understand the angle of the indoor Sex Worker. As I said before, we all have room to learn from each other.

I have actually done, and understand both perfectly well thank you...I never learn anything from bs or mindgames or those who play them...but perhaps other people do?

I uncovered a few more nasty (and pretty sick IMHO) and more personal little games you have been playing behind my back in the last week or so. But we will not be "discussing" or "learning from" them here, or anywhere.

Other people will no doubt have reasons of their own to see what I see in the fullness of time, and there is certainly nothing I can say to speed that up.

We are done here.

[Curvaceous Kate]

Which would have been too late to prevent you expressing those erroneous views to the JOC, who would have a very different mindset to a UK equivalent and would have been horrified with the effect of alienating them from anything you wished to say as vwell as REINFORCING anything TORL said...

Your ignorance of the true situation *FOR EVERYONE* meant you had insufficient knowledge of fact and reality to be able to go in to the JOC without doing far more harm than good and also suggest to me that you refuse to show your submission at all because it did contain similar statements.



I have actually done, and understand both perfectly well thank you...I never learn anything from bs or mindgames or those who play them...but perhaps other people do?

I uncovered a few more nasty (and pretty sick IMHO) and more personal little games you have been playing behind my back in the last week or so. But we will not be "discussing" or "learning from" them here, or anywhere.

Other people will no doubt have reasons of their own to see what I see in the fullness of time, and there is certainly nothing I can say to speed that up.

We are done here.

You have no idea what I had intended to talk about and it is not your right to veto who gets to speak. As it happens I wouldn't have mentioned street workers at all, as I would not be representing them and know nothing of the life style.

I would have been talking about the issues raised in my submission.

[ana massage]

well..thats good to know that ruhama and others take their time to get the new law in ireland,
and you guys take your time to fight.
enough with fighting and bullying ...is time for you all to get together and do something good ..ffs!!

we're going to loose the battle !!!
i think their having lots of fun reading how you guys loose your time fighting ....

[Cassandra]

When Kelly did what she did.it was remarkable. It wasn't great for the anti's to see? Unfortunate, but better said clearly than for them to just catch a wind of and exaggerate no?
It was also remarkable because Kelly is uber sweet and generally quite quiet on these boards.
I've met you LBT, and never have I met anyone with that sort of fire in their belly for justice.
Kate , sure we spoke and you're one cool mama.

It's dissapointing when two older ladies, both held in regard - descend to slapmatches on the boards. Both of you own telephones (and have access to the pM system)

What Kelly did was straight up righteous. Let's not make a farce of it.

[Curvaceous Kate]

When Kelly did what she did.it was remarkable. It wasn't great for the anti's to see? Unfortunate, but better said clearly than for them to just catch a wind of and exaggerate no?
It was also remarkable because Kelly is uber sweet and generally quite quiet on these boards.
I've met you LBT, and never have I met anyone with that sort of fire in their belly for justice.
Kate , sure we spoke and you're one cool mama.

It's dissapointing when two older ladies, both held in regard - descend to slapmatches on the boards. Both of you own telephones (and have access to the pM system)

What Kelly did was straight up righteous. Let's not make a farce of it.

Cheek! I'm not old!

Being more serious. The thread was closed. It was wrong of LBT to start up a new thread purely to have a go and make claims about me that are untrue. I am not going to stand back and let someone put words in my mouth that are not true.

[Cassandra]

LOL "older" isn't auld. And given my age not a particularly hard category to fall into