TV3: Sweet Rachel and LaBelleThatcher

[Lilian]

So rude....

Its not .

Same currency dealt as in the post answered with mine and I am pretty shure gets the meaning .

[Rachel Divine]

LaBelle , with all due respect and I have alot of that for you , I am happy and gratefull that Rachel was there for you when you needed somebody badly , but thats personal , dont expect me to share your opinion if I have seen her in a different light and express this opinion freely .

I dont expect anybody to share it , but I do expect people to accept that I have a different opinion .

As I repeatedly said before , yes she was the only one ready to go on TV , brave /stupid whatever you call it and I am sad that circumstances prevent us to show the full reign of wonderfull , intelligent , selfassured , independent women who work in this job , but I dont need to like her way !

I understand you lashing out on me about my critic with Rachel in the video due to your personal attachment , but please , accept that our opinion on the matter will not be the same and that I will express it no matter if you agree with it or not !

Comprende ?

No comprende...
Our opinion? Please elaborate

[Lilian]

Seriously are you going to make up that in her defense?!

I tour Ireland, I dont stay in a place, I am up to North this week. Actually Belfast is not in Ireland, is UK, so neither I was in the Republic working . As for she never works here . She is posting on this forum along with the lot of escorts working in the Republic of Ireland , this time having a go at one of them for what....exactly ?! As you say she doesnt have to go down to Dublin to defend sex industry, therefore, if she doesnt have to do it, does she have to have a go at someone who does?!
She is not working in the Republic of Ireland, no?!

If this lady thinks she doesnt have to move her ass , maybe she will have to think she is prettier with the fingers away from the laptop / this thread

Its correct , I wouldnt need to give a ratsass about laws in Ireland since I dont work there anyway , but you know what , I do for the fact that if this goes wrong in Ireland other countries might follow the example and that can not be aloud !
I do care just for the fact that it involves people that make their living in the same way I do !

I move my ass for this course as much as you do , just in a different way , so please leave your insults if you dont know facts .

[Stephanie]

This thread has me with a serious mix of emotions, first I really am in awe of you ladies (Rachel, LBT) for your courage to stand up for you and your profession and the ladies that work in it, whatever anyone feels about you they have to give you the highest respect for doing it
Now for the anger, the absolute cheek of that Lillian one, she doesn't even deserve to be directly addressed, I didn't see anyone else standing beside the ladies and that is why they are receiving their well deserved appreciation from us, it is not a criticism of the many ladies that do what they can, I'm sure we all appreciate their work also but to have the neck to speak out about anyone who tries just shows her ignorance. I've absolutely no respect for her and if she is what she thinks is good representation she is sorely mistaken.
As for the ladies attire, , they looked like 2 normal people, casually dressed, and I think the camera showed that, hey look at them, no gold, feathers or tacky fur coats (Sorry Stephanie).
Ladies for a short interview you both came across brilliantly, well done :clap:

I'll have you know my mink ain't tacky lol

The point I was trying to make in that post of mine (mentioning fur) , is that Lillian seems to have a dislike for Rach,

and so she's picking at her . I am fairly certain she ain't got a shine to me either, and so if I went on TV (and by all

means you won't see my bum !) , I wanted to know what she would get at.

Point being, if you try hard enough, you can find fault with anything, anyone. The girls did a great job, and it's a true shame

that that single solitary person just couldn't abide by their achievement and the bit of attention they were getting.

Reflects poorly on the one sniping and not on the lass wearing everyday clothes, who stood fast and delivered the goods

with a camera shoved in her face. Who amongst us could've / would've been able to do the same ?


As to Rachel having been portrayed to represent the street walkers and not the escorts... Ha. That stings.

[Lilian]

No comprende...
Our opinion? Please elaborate

LaBelles opinion versa my opinion = our opinion on the matter

[Amy Alison]

First of all, congrats to both Rachel and La Belle for standing out for what they believe in !!!

Dress code or no dress code … The idea is everybody can dress however they want and if Rachel needed to travel to get there, of course she didn’t have a lot of time to prepare outfits, going for whatever she feels comfortable wearing when outside.

I would have personally chosen a skirt suit , with the skirt above the knees and a very fitting jacket and yes, some comfy high heels, in order to show I’m really comfortable with myself and I want to be SEEN in order to be heard.

Leaving the outfit jokes now, based on 5:30 pm clip, I can comment on:

- The 2 ladies standing in front of that government building with that A4 printouts covering their faces was a very brave thing to do. BUT, I am asking, do you realize how more convincing this would have been on the news if 10 – 20 escorts would have been there? I know many of us would not go in front of a camera, for whatever reasons but how sure are you that really others would not have joined? I NEVER SEEN ANY EMAIL INVITATION OR THREAD MENTIONING THIS MEETING. THE SAME WHEN THE CONFERENCE WAS TAKING PLACE. If there threads about this, my apologies, I don’t read everything on the forums but if there really weren’t any, there should have been. A lot of escorts being seen there would have made much more believable the idea that they stand for the majority of all escorts, 2 ladies only from which one only actively escorting could be easily criticized as being just a fluke of opinion, just an attempt to get more exposure and so on.

- I haven’t seen that later show and it seems it hasn’t been aired at all, maybe this was more detailed and more factual, but for me, what was said in the clips shown on the news, there was nothing new and also the arguments picked there were not of the highest rank: don’t take away work from desperate women (like really, we want to show that escorting is a matter of personal choice, not something to feel pity about) and don’t criminalise sex buyers as escorting will go even deeper underground (true but not the top argument in my opinion). Still, someone like myself was very familiar with those topics, for someone new watching, those may be as well very convincing opinions, so the idea of "educating" the masses still nicely done in my opinion.


In conclusion, just a quick recap … I don’t know how many chances like this we’ll have to voice our opinion directly to the entire population of Ireland, so it would have gone better if everything would have been more organized. More ladies there, even if most of them would not get to be interviewed directly, more facts & figures when bringing arguments of decriminalising. That being said, Rachel and La Belle were certainly very brave, did a good job and their TV appearance is probably the top spot moment so far in the effort of not having the sweedish model introduced.

[Rachel Divine]

I haven't made anything up. I know who tours where. You tour in both jurisdictions. Lillian does not. You are angry because she said that that she was unhappy with you being the public voice of escorts in Ireland. I'm not offering an opinion on that, since I'm not an escort. You can, and no doubt do, disagree. You can't say, however, that it doesn't affect her. Derry is not subject to the Republic's laws, but many people there do watch RTE. She's entitled to express an opinion without spending a whole day travelling to take part in an activity she probably didn't know about and might regard as counterproductive.

Honestly I never thought someone could have a go at me based on my trousers I wore yesterday, when the merit for what I did is way much bigger ... She can think whatever she wants, but she comes across as a very bitchy jealous person on this one..

[Amy Alison]

I'll have you know my mink ain't tacky lol

Goodness, for someone who loves animals, I really can't believe you're wearing real fur

Please buy yourself an imitation next time. It will looks as good on you as the real thing.

[Zoidberg]

Okay. Then if she is not part of this, why she wants to give the impression I am doing things wrong?!

North is North and South is South , and she is not part of South/Republic of Ireland ..

In that case, why would she go on in such a vitriolic fashion to criticize someone who is doing something down here

in the Republic, for the rights of working girls in the Republic ???

You say it doesn't affect her. Then by all means she has even less business picking at someone here, based on wardrobe ????

Laughable.

All I did was try and explain where I thought El Gordo was coming from, I have no interest in all your internal cat fights and any disagreements escorts have with each other. To be perfectly honest I don't give a s**t what you both may think of Lillian or what she thinks of you.

I was given a bit of advice in my mid teens by my father that I think sums up this thread and pretty much most of what I have read on this site since becoming a member "Don't try to understand women. Women understand women and they hate each other".

[Rachel Divine]

Its correct , I wouldnt need to give a ratsass about laws in Ireland since I dont work there anyway , but you know what , I do for the fact that if this goes wrong in Ireland other countries might follow the example and that can not be aloud !
I do care just for the fact that it involves people that make their living in the same way I do !

I move my ass for this course as much as you do , just in a different way , so please leave your insults if you dont know facts .

What exactly do you do for sex industry in the Republic of Ireland?