True Independent Escorts and Agency Escorts

[SophieX]

The guys sometimes have the same problem with my Geordie accent lol


Tiff xxx

And mine Tiff

Mind you, i can't understand anyone from outside of Dublin, i have to concentrate, which is kinda difficult for me at the best of times

[Curvaceous Kate]

I am intelligent enough to believe that yes, there are dodgy agencies, and I know that there are true independents involved in running agencies or have worked happily for agencies in Ireland. You also failed to answer my questions, but don't feel obliged to do so.

I didn't answer, because I don't really understand what you are getting at. If the woman is working as an Independent Escort in her own right, then yes she is an Independent Escort. If she is not working, but running an Agency, then no she is not an Independent Escort, because she is running an Escort Agency and the girls that work for her are not either, they are Agency Escorts.

I have absolutely no idea why you are talking about advertising. That has nothing to do with the topic at all. Why don't you start a new thread on 'Should Agencies advertise?' or something. It's a seperate issue.

I know nothing about Agencies in Ireland, because I am an Independent Escort. It is not on my radar and to be honest the politics behind it has nothing to do with this thread either, as we were simply asked to define, 'what makes a True Independent Escort'.

There may be complications with regards to advertising as an Agency Escort, but that has nothing to do with their status. We work very differently and there is a clear distinction. Surely that is the important factor?

If I chose to employ someone to answer my phone them I am doing it for myself. They would work the hours that I ask them to and they would be instructed to accept bookings that were to my liking only. They would only be working for me during those hours. This is still a clear distinction and just because they answer the phone, does not mean I HAVE to take the booking, as I can instruct her to cancel it if I wish. I am still in control.

I guess it's about being Indendent and keeping control. When you work for an Agency you are agreeing to work a specific number of hours and see who ever they choose to bring your way. There are certain expectations of you in return for the service they provide.

I don't know about good and bad Agencies in Ireland either, so that to me also has nothing to do with the debate. It's just a simple difference between arranging your own bookings and having them arranged for you.

[samlad]

I didn't answer, because I don't really understand what you are getting at. If the woman is working as an Independent Escort in her own right, then yes she is an Independent Escort. If she is not working, but running an Agency, then no she is not an Independent Escort, because she is running an Escort Agency and the girls that work for her are not either, they are Agency Escorts.

I have absolutely no idea why you are talking about advertising. That has nothing to do with the topic at all. Why don't you start a new thread on 'Should Agencies advertise?' or something. It's a seperate issue.

I know nothing about Agencies in Ireland, because I am an Independent Escort. It is not on my radar and to be honest the politics behind it has nothing to do with this thread either, as we were simply asked to define, 'what makes a True Independent Escort'.

There may be complications with regards to advertising as an Agency Escort, but that has nothing to do with their status. We work very differently and there is a clear distinction. Surely that is the important factor?

If I chose to employ someone to answer my phone them I am doing it for myself. They would work the hours that I ask them to and they would be instructed to accept bookings that were to my liking only. They would only be working for me during those hours. This is still a clear distinction and just because they answer the phone, does not mean I HAVE to take the booking, as I can instruct her to cancel it if I wish. I am still in control.

I guess it's about being Indendent and keeping control. When you work for an Agency you are agreeing to work a specific number of hours and see who ever they choose to bring your way. There are certain expectations of you in return for the service they provide.

I don't know about good and bad Agencies in Ireland either, so that to me also has nothing to do with the debate. It's just a simple difference between arranging your own bookings and having them arranged for you.

I think it is relevant. If you employ someone to take your calls, they are acting as your agent (in the eyes of the law), just as someone is technically 'trafficking' an escort if they buy a ticket for them.

Of course the fundamental differences between agencies and independents is that agencies make bookings for you and tell you what hours to work. If it is run well and everyone is happy, it is really no different to my employer telling me when to work and I'm sure that there are agencies like this. Independent escorts are their own boss, I agree, but then have to arrange their own clients, travel and accommodation.

Everyone has a right to decide if they wish to visit an agency escort or not, but constantly condemning agency escorts isn't exactly going to make them come out of the woodwork either. And as we all know, if something is pushed underground, it is going to be subjected to exploitation. I think we have covered a lot of the common misconceptions here and emphasised that there are significant differences between the terms 'trafficked', 'pimped', 'coerced' and 'agency', and it is important to discuss it, because these are quite obviously assumed to be the same thing most of the time.

[Curvaceous Kate]

I think it is relevant. If you employ someone to take your calls, they are acting as your agent (in the eyes of the law), just as someone is technically 'trafficking' an escort if they buy a ticket for them.

Of course the fundamental differences between agencies and independents is that agencies make bookings for you and tell you what hours to work. If it is run well and everyone is happy, it is really no different to my employer telling me when to work and I'm sure that there are agencies like this. Independent escorts are their own boss, I agree, but then have to arrange their own clients, travel and accommodation.

Everyone has a right to decide if they wish to visit an agency escort or not, but constantly condemning agency escorts isn't exactly going to make them come out of the woodwork either. And as we all know, if something is pushed underground, it is going to be subjected to exploitation. I think we have covered a lot of the common misconceptions here and emphasised that there are significant differences between the terms 'trafficked', 'pimped', 'coerced' and 'agency', and it is important to discuss it, because these are quite obviously assumed to be the same thing most of the time.

So we're bringing legality into this as well? These are seperate issues Sam. Legally for an Escort to be working within the law she has to be doing everything for herself, so maybe we should use that as our interpretation of what an Independent Escort is? In which case the one fact I do know is... I am an Independent Escort

If you are accusing me of condemning Agency Escorts I would appreciate if you could find the post where I did it, as I have no recollection of it whatsoever. I have said that I have friends in England that work for Agencies and I sort their advice on how they were run where they live.

I however have been accused of being racist and it seems to have fallen on deaf ears. Would you believe the moderator in question didn't even have the decency to post back and let me know he had recieved the complaint!

[UKHeather]

Would you believe the moderator in question didn't even have the decency to post back and let me know he had recieved the complaint!

I would believe that. Try sending it again and if you still get no response then I'd suggest sending it directly to Pat. She is usually on the ball when the mods aren't.

[samlad]

I would believe that. Try sending it again and if you still get no response then I'd suggest sending it directly to Pat. She is usually on the ball when the mods aren't.

Or me and Nicole, as Patricia tends to pass on this information to us anyway.

[samlad]

So we're bringing legality into this as well? These are seperate issues Sam. Legally for an Escort to be working within the law she has to be doing everything for herself, so maybe we should use that as our interpretation of what an Independent Escort is? In which case the one fact I do know is... I am an Independent Escort

If you are accusing me of condemning Agency Escorts I would appreciate if you could find the post where I did it, as I have no recollection of it whatsoever. I have said that I have friends in England that work for Agencies and I sort their advice on how they were run where they live.

I however have been accused of being racist and it seems to have fallen on deaf ears. Would you believe the moderator in question didn't even have the decency to post back and let me know he had recieved the complaint!

I didn't say that you are condemning agencies, I am saying that this is the general attitude, but you've not actually posting anything in support of agencies (which is fair enough, don't get me wrong), so I would hazard a guess that you are not in favour of them generally. That would be an assumption though.

[samlad]

So we're bringing legality into this as well? These are seperate issues Sam. Legally for an Escort to be working within the law she has to be doing everything for herself, so maybe we should use that as our interpretation of what an Independent Escort is? In which case the one fact I do know is... I am an Independent Escort

If you are accusing me of condemning Agency Escorts I would appreciate if you could find the post where I did it, as I have no recollection of it whatsoever. I have said that I have friends in England that work for Agencies and I sort their advice on how they were run where they live.

I however have been accused of being racist and it seems to have fallen on deaf ears. Would you believe the moderator in question didn't even have the decency to post back and let me know he had recieved the complaint!

So this is a good definition of an 'independent escort'. Legality IS a major factor, yes.

Technically, every single escort in Ireland (not the North), everyone is breaking the law. It is actually illegal to advertise in Ireland.

[Curvaceous Kate]

I didn't say that you are condemning agencies, I am saying that this is the general attitude, but you've not actually posting anything in support of agencies (which is fair enough, don't get me wrong), so I would hazard a guess that you are not in favour of them generally. That would be an assumption though.

That is you making an assumption, as it is not based on facts. I have actually said that I had no problem with them, but I personally would not want to work for one, as I need to feel in control. I think any Agency charging 50% or more per client is taking advantage of the Escorts that work for them, but other than that, they can be good for people who are just starting out and don't know what they are doing, or if they don't want to work from home, because of family etc. It also helps those that have no funds to kick start working.

[Naughtynatalie]

Having read this whole thread my mind boggles, where are all these posts and comments condemning agency escorts and agencies?

I have been escorting in England and Ireland for 15 years. There is no stigma to agency escorts/massage parlour girls in the Uk because they are advertised honestly. A lot of the companies pay tax by advertising time and companionship only.

When I first came to Ireland there were lots of agency's advertising, even the site across the road had a few. How I see the change is that criminal elements became more prevalent in the sex industry as they seen it as easy money and rather than running above board establishments they decieved to the extreme with false photo's, pretending girls were independent etc etc... these same thugs threatened & scared off alot of the genuine agency's. The media became interested in the agency's because of the criminality and false business practice that surrounded them. They genuine agency's have to hide from the thug element threatening them & the criminal run agency's have to go underground for obvious reasons.

my 2 cents like it or not