True Independent Escorts and Agency Escorts

[samlad]

You open it back up and ask people to go back on topic and then go straight back off topic? What's that about Sam?

Not really. It is relevant to the flow of conversation. People have implied that escorts that don't speak English very well cannot be true independents. As we are discussing this we are also debating the issues with agencies, and this is one point. In fact, to prevent confusion, I will edit the title

[Curvaceous Kate]

Not really. It is relevant to the flow of conversation. People have implied that escorts that don't speak English very well cannot be true independents. As we are discussing this we are also debating the issues with agencies, and this is one point. In fact, to prevent confusion, I will edit the title

If they work for an Agency they are not. If they are working Independent of any third party, then of course they are Independent. I don't think that is the point at all. Language is a barrier due to safety issues and making sure that the client and Escort are both fully understanding and consenting to what is happening. This business is all about consent and without it then it can quickly become a disturbing violation.

Some people on this thread are posting out of concern for both parties. It has nothing to do with the dispute between who is a True Independent Escort and who is not. No one is saying they can't work here either, but suggesting that it is not wise to work in a Country IF you do not have basic understanding. Enough women get raped, robed and beaten up in this job with a good command of English, it is not wise to put yourself in a predicament where you are more vunerable.

Therefore take a little time to learn the language and feel confident of what you will be doing. Be at a level where you can answer your own phone and be assured you are in control as much as you can be.

If ladies who have not got the time to learn the language to a level where they can answer their own phone choose to come over anyway and rely on an Agency to help them bridge the gap, that is fine, but they are NOT Independent. There is nothing stopping them changing to be Independent at a later date when they are more used to the language though, as Rachel did.

[samlad]

If they work for an Agency they are not. If they are working Independent of any third party, then of course they are Independent. I don't think that is the point at all. Language is a barrier due to safety issues and making sure that the client and Escort are both fully understanding and consenting to what is happening. This business is all about consent and without it then it can quickly become a disturbing violation.

Some people on this thread are posting out of concern for both parties. It has nothing to do with the dispute between who is a True Independent Escort and who is not. No one is saying they can't work here either, but suggesting that it is not wise to work in a Country IF you do not have basic understanding. Enough women get raped, robed and beaten up in this job with a good command of English, it is not wise to put yourself in a predicament where you are more vunerable.

Therefore take a little time to learn the language and feel confident of what you will be doing. Be at a level where you can answer your own phone and be assured you are in control as much as you can be.

If ladies who have not got the time to learn the language to a level where they can answer their own phone choose to come over anyway and rely on an Agency to help them bridge the gap, that is fine, but they are NOT Independent. There is nothing stopping them changing to be Independent at a later date when they are more used to the language though, as Rachel did.

But I know that there are true independent escorts that have telephonists and there are even some that run agencies. What is your out-take on that? Is this unacceptable? Should these independent escorts also advertise their girls as agency, or do you not think that if they did, they would be smeared all over the media?

Don't think I am naive. I know that there are dodgy agencies, but I think that there are only dodgy agencies because they are forced underground. I also know that pimps or traffickers don't have to look for women; with the internet, there are girls actually looking for pimps. I know this for a fact as I have been told by escorts from abroad.

If you worked happily for an agency in Ireland, would you advertise yourself as agency or independent? When I started her in July 2010, we had quite a few advertising agencies. Since the RTE expose on 'The Agency XXX', they have 'ceased to be'. Does that not surprise you?

As for safety, I agree there can be an issue with the language barrier, but whether you speak English or not, as an escort, there are risks involved when opening the doors to strangers (as you said). A stigma is also that many agencies have 'security' too, but that's not always the case, and some independent escorts have husbands or partners that sit in another room while while they work. Is that fine?

Please don't think I'm arguing for the sake of it, I just want to highlight that not everything is as clear-cut as people think or want to believe.

[FullLife]

I'm reopening this thread. Let's keep the thread on topic please.

If someone cannot speak perfect English but wishes to work in Ireland, it doesn't mean that they shouldn't work in Ireland. After all, escorts make lots of money in Ireland. I am friends with people from a Polish community that can't speak English very well, but work in the UK because our economy is a damn-sight better than their own. Why should they not work in Ireland? Also, despite my friends not being able to speak much English, I can still have a drink with them and actually have fun communicating through gestures and body language, and drawing silly pictures.

Well that's great Sam, but you're out with friends in a group environment there. Nobody's naked, alone with you, vulnerable, and at the very least slightly nervous.
Can you imagine the crappy review a lady would receive if in the middle of an appointment she stopped, to draw funny pictures to communicate.*
I think the point about language skills was made as a safety issue. A basic ability to communicate what was ok and what was not allowed.
Irish people have gone all over the world to work and so we should welcome anyone who wants to come here to make a living. But that situation just seems horribly likely to end badly.

[samlad]

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Well that's great Sam, but you're out with friends in a group environment there. Nobody's naked, alone with you, vulnerable, and at the very least slightly nervous.
Can you imagine the crappy review a lady would receive if in the middle of an appointment she stopped, to draw funny pictures to communicate.*
I think the point about language skills was made as a safety issue. A basic ability to communicate what was ok and what was not allowed.
Irish people have gone all over the world to work and so we should welcome anyone who wants to come here to make a living. But that situation just seems horribly likely to end badly.

The point is that they shouldn't be told they can't work because of the language barrier, and thank goodness that there are people like yourself that wouldn't take advantage of that situation. You don't have to speak perfect English to be vulnerable either.

[samlad]

Nobody is talking about perfect english...

but if as Kate made a great example they are in the room and the client ask something and

she dont have a clue what did he say ???

then what... and it is unfortunately about language barriers.

So many independent girls dont have perfect english either.. but we know what bareback means. for example.

You actually made a point I was about to. Being 'independent' doesn't mean that an escort has perfect English either.

[SophieX]

A lot of the foreign girls i've met or know also make out they speak less English than they actually do to the clients so they don't have to converse so much with them

Smart eh....

[Curvaceous Kate]

You actually made a point I was about to. Being 'independent' doesn't mean that an escort has perfect English either.

You are an intelligent man, so why are you not reading what is written in front of you? No one is saying they can't work over here for an Agency. We are disputing that working for an agency simply means you are not independent. Where is that fact getting lost and twisted?

[TiffanyTees]

A lot of the foreign girls i've met or know also make out they speak less English than they actually do to the clients so they don't have to converse so much with them

Smart eh....

The guys sometimes have the same problem with my Geordie accent lol


Tiff xxx

[samlad]

You are an intelligent man, so why are you not reading what is written in front of you? No one is saying they can't work over here for an Agency. We are disputing that working for an agency simply means you are not independent. Where is that fact getting lost and twisted?

I am intelligent enough to believe that yes, there are dodgy agencies, and I know that there are true independents involved in running agencies or have worked happily for agencies in Ireland. You also failed to answer my questions, but don't feel obliged to do so.

Of course not, its our second language .. u can't speak 100% correct you always going to learn something new in my opinion.

but that wasn't my point. my point was that at least learn basic english for your own safety.

I do not hate any other girls it can be romanian ,nigerian or even an ET it's not about that we want to tell them not to come

here ,it's about their safety.

even with an agency how you agree with the price the accommodation etc, u have to be lucky to be treated well.

I do agree with the safety issues, but what about agency escorts that can speak good English?