True Independent Escorts and Agency Escorts

[Violette]

Ah come on Rachel, i'm not even an escort but even i know how hard it can be to find suitable/safe/ not overused accomodation in this country, especially in certain cities.
The problem in Ireland is that agencies have such an awful reputation. I've seen agencies work really well in some countries where both escort and agency seem happy with the arrangement.
It does exist, but i think its only a small % of 'independent' escorts who use it as a marketing tool. Reading posts on here, you can see by posters responses that some are mortified that they might be visiting an escort who isnt independent...so amongst forum members it does work to some extent

Having worked with several agencies in other countries, I can honestly say, they were run more like a business, and less like a criminal organisation. There were work schedules, days off, taxes paid, income paid directly into bank accounts, in essence a real job. I don't get that feeling about the agencies here in Ireland.

[NewMoon]

Get a grip miss. Even Patrica admitted are agency escorts advertising as indies and not agency and she gave an explanation why.

Agree, a man with a hard on will shag any girl. Now, this talk talk on the forum it is not for majority , only for the boards members and the ones who read it. Lets face it, the % of punters it is over 50% who do not read the forum

Sweet Rachel , I normally agree with a lot of your posts. Maybe I'm reading this out of context but Most Men Would Not Shag Any Girl that was used, forced etc.. Am I wrong?

[Rachel Divine]

I sincerely doubt that the true independent escorts in Ireland are going to damage the hundreds of agency escorts, whether they are actually advertised as such or in stealth mode. But considering you are an independent, I would think you would consider it a good thing for more work to come your way, or am I mistaken in your independent status?

The constant moaning over agencies is the damage, from escorts/clients/media.

What has to do my work with agencies?

No, you are not mistaken by my indie status, but I am sure your status is somehow not true.

[Rachel Divine]

Sweet Rachel , I normally agree with a lot of your posts. Maybe I'm reading this out of context but Most Men Would Not Shag Any Girl that was used, forced etc.. Am I wrong?

No, you are not. My apologize. Didnt meant to sound that way.

[NewMoon]

No, you are not. My apologize. Didnt meant to sound that way.

Thanks Rachel,
There seems to me to be a lot of needless fighting among yourselves (ourselves). I think the anger should be directed towards people who abuse escorts, I have no idea who those people are but I'm sure they very serious people to be dealing with.

[Curvaceous Kate]

did you not see my post? because they get accomodation paid for* [and the bills for it too elec, heat ect, and ad paid for also] get more clients and work more. I think you would want to have your regulars all setup before you leave an agency otherwise you might sink fast

*prob not the case in all agencies but the ones I have heard of do anyway.

Funlover12 with all due respect the advertising and accomodation are a blip in the ocean compared to what the Agency girls are paying. What makes you think that her regular clients would not follow her if she left? I'm sure she can tell them if she is considering re-locating and likely offer them a better rate for having to pass less of her wages across.

If it was that much better then common sense would dictate that a lot more of us would want to be working for agencies, but personally even if they were offering all that for 10% I wouldn't do it, because I'm the only one who is qualified to choose who I meet, how long I work, what services I provide and how I advertise myself.

I guess it's the difference between enjoying your work and doing it to pay the bills.

[n73]

If I'm honest I only read to page 4 so I apologise if this has been said already but this is my somewhat simplified view. I am self employed and I view all independent ladies as the same. I am also an employer and see the people that work for me as my employees just as I see agency girls. I'm damn sure that not all of my staff are happy but they still do their days work in order to get their wage and do so willingly just as I would hope for the agency girls. Just like an agency, when I charge a client I take a percentage to cover my overheads and to assist in paying my wage as a lot of my time is spent nonproductively. I would also like to think that the agencies treat their staff as well as I treat mine.
Now, here's the big difference, my business is regulated, I am tied into a registered employers agreement. My staff are entitled to overtime, travel time, holidays, pensions etc.. So on essence I suppose I've no option but to agree with agencies but they must be regulated with their employees supported by the state as must the independent ladies. These business, both self employed and agencies need to be licenced and monitored to prevent what I'm sure all ordinary decent punters and escorts alike disagree with, trafficking. No body alive should be forced into any industry against their will and that in fact is what the government need to understand.

[Rachel Divine]

Funlover12 with all due respect the advertising and accomodation are a blip in the ocean compared to what the Agency girls are paying. What makes you think that her regular clients would not follow her if she left? I'm sure she can tell them if she is considering re-locating and likely offer them a better rate for having to pass less of her wages across.

If it was that much better then common sense would dictate that a lot more of us would want to be working for agencies, but personally even if they were offering all that for 10% I wouldn't do it, because I'm the only one who is qualified to choose who I meet, how long I work, what services I provide and how I advertise myself.

I guess it's the difference between enjoying your work and doing it to pay the bills.

Agencies always charged more than "indies" . Once the ladies left the agencies went from charging 120 per half hour to 100 e or less.

[Rachel Divine]

An excellent thread, Rachel.

The concept of 'independent' in the sense of escorting is a grey area in my opinion. Some people think an 'independent' escort should be one that works on her own free will. That is fair enough. Some state that an 'independent' escort should not have to hand over their money to anyone else. This is where is gets blurry for me.

We have all seen the threads about escorts having to fork out for the costs of accommodation (say an average of €100 per night for arguments sake), then flight/travel costs, food, cost of an advertisement (€100 a week on E-I or €70 for three days). So let's say that an escort advertises for a week; that's €700 rent, €100 advertising, let's say €200-€300 for travel costs and about €100-€150 to feed themselves (I'm only guessing a ball-park figure here by the way). That would be up to €1150 in expenses. If an escort sees around an average of three clients a day at €200 an hour, that's €600 a day, right? Some days there may be five 30 min clients, others there may be four or five 1 hour clients; it's not set in stone. So let's say that it's even €400 a day, multiply that by 7 days, there is around €2100 made in the week, minus expenses, an escort is looking at a profit of about €950-€1000 a week (give or take). Again, all hypothetical, so please don't hang me for it. Plus, many escorts pay taxes too

Now look at an agency escort. From what we know, it is standard for an agency worker to pay 50% of their income for services rendered. Travel, accommodation and other expenses taken care of. Many of these escorts don't speak English as a first language, nor do they know Ireland very well or how to get around, or they need someone to create their profiles for them or take bookings for them. If they see the same amount of clients as these 'independent' escorts, aren't they earning more or less the same without the hassle of trying to do all this stuff themselves? What if they are happy to pay for these services? Why should they be condemned for it?

You hear these stories of children in America being brought up by their nannies because their parents are far too busy to look after them. I've read these stories about some of these children only being able to speak Spanish because their nannies are Hispanic and don't speak much English. These American parents think their child has a speech impediment or are deaf, but they speak perfectly, just in another language. The point of this really is that parents have to work so they will hire someone (an agent) to look after their children while they are doing so; if there is nobody to watch the children, the parents cannot work so they don't make any money. It's the same thing.

Why don't agency escorts advertise as agency then? I agree that they should advertise as agency if they are agency, but is it any wonder why they don't? It is common knowledge that MOST 'independent' escorts have at some point worked for an agency themselves, and that is fine, everyone has to start somewhere, right? If an escort works in Ireland under an agency, they are publicly hanged, drawn and quartered by the public and by the media. The issue is this; clients assume that agency = coerced and trafficked. This is NOT always the case, in fact, it is not the case MOST of the time.

This is a problem we see all the time. "She uses fake photos, so she is trafficked/she is pimped/she is agency". It doesn't mean an escort is trafficked! How many cases do we actually know about of any escort that was legitimately trafficked AND forced to work against their will? There are cases of 'trafficking', but this is usually when an escort is caught out working with other escorts and are shipped back home.

So, in my opinion, there is a difference between being 'independent' and 'thinking independently'. An agency escort may make the independent choice of working for an agency. Agency does not always equal trafficked or coerced. Technically, if someone else pays for a ticket for a travelling escort, they are 'trafficking' her. It is a very grey area and the media have a field-day spinning that one. This is the stigma that is being conditioned all the time and it's time that people thought more about it before rhyming off the usual template of common misconception.

Totally agree. Best post on this thread (after mine of course )..!

If people can read it, I think I am done here...

[Curvaceous Kate]

Agencies always charged more than "indies" . Once the ladies left the agencies went from charging 120 per half hour to 100 e or less.

What exactly is your point? The agency charge 120e, so the Escort gets 60e, so now she charges 100e and gets 40e more and can work to her own time scale, freedom to choose who she sees and work where she wants to. If she puts 20e aside from every booking towards her costs, she is still 20e better off per client and happier in her work. What could possibly be bad about that?