eliane profile in cork

[Patricia]

Also wanted to say, another issue here is that the line between independent and agency is very blurred.

I mean, what makes a lady not independent?

I think - to me - what makes a lady an agency escort is that she is paying an agent a percentage of her earnings.

It is not that she uses a receptionist, many busy independents do.

And it is not that she may share accomodation with another lady sometimes. Working totally alone can be very expensive and lonely, not to mention - safety, safety, safety!

However, legally, under Irish law, two independent ladies working out of the same place are just as much a brothel as the guy who has a house with ten women in it all paying him 50% of their earnings, (if it can be proved they are prostitutes!).

Likewise, an independent ecort duo is a contradiction in terms, as any independent escorts offering a duo service are a brothel in the eyes of the law, (if it can be proved they are prostitutes!).

If you - like me - consider the fact a lady pays an agent a percentage of her earnings what truly defines her not being independent, how do you possibly identify which escorts do this and which don't?

I tell you it is impossible!

I remember back when I was working as an escort, I knew maybe two dozen other independent escorts in Dublin VERY WELL and at least 2 of those independents I eventually learnt were not independent at all, in both cases nearly all their earnings were going to blokes who basically controlled them and took all their money.

It took me 6 months of hanging out with one of these ladies to twig what was going on with her though, and 2 years of hanging out with the other, and it really showed me - You never know - Escorts are often secretive people with complex lives and the most independent seeming ladies you'll ever meet can just as easily be victims of nasty greedy abusive men as agency girls can. I mean think about it... I was going to nightclubs, shopping trips, girly days out etc with these ladies all the time and it took me 6 months / 2 years to realise something was amiss?

For me though, this issue is about drawing a line with E-I. For legal and practical reasons, E-I can only go do so much, and I think E-I trying to be judge and jury as to who is independent and who isn't is a step too far. I can envisage doing it and, apart from the fact, legally it could very possibly be the death of E-I, I can see it being an absolute nightmare to try to do and even with our best efforts we'd be getting it wrong continually, plus where does it end if we started doing this... What will be expected of us next? I'm afraid the law plus my vision of what trying to do this would be like means it is not going to happen currently.

[Patricia]

Another question I think should be asked here is - Why do clients give agencies such a hard time? I know it is well deserved in many cases, but I do also see agencies getting a hard time for no good reason sometimes. Maybe if clients could try to give agencies more of a fair go to start with they'd be less agencies feeling the need to advertise as independents? NB: I am not asking anyone to be nicer to bad agencies, of course if you get bad service from an agency you should tell it like it is... I am just saying maybe it would help if when a new agency came along clients didn't automatically assume it was a bad agency and "just like the rest of them..."

[Patricia]

Another thing...

Recently somebody suggested to me that Sexy Sirens had left and come back as a group of "independents".

I don't know if this is true or not, but I know before Sexy Sirens left they were around for many years and I never once found them using fake photos plus they got a fair amount of good feedback / reviews from clients and they were always available to respond to queries on this message board if clients had any. Also, several of their ladies eventually went on to become independents, and when they did, they always said to us it was just because they felt ready to be in complete control of their careers, that is wasn't because Sexy Sirens treated them badly, as they didn't.

If the cops shut Sexy Sirens down purely for being an agency and they have come back as independents, then that says to me the legal situation is obviously a cause of these problems too.

If our government / police are going to stamp on good agencies that treat their staff and customers well then obviously there will be problems in this country with agencies advertising as independents.

[punterminator]

Another question I think should be asked here is - Why do clients give agencies such a hard time? I know it is well deserved in many cases, but I do also see agencies getting a hard time for no good reason sometimes. Maybe if clients could try to give agencies more of a fair go to start with they'd be less agencies feeling the need to advertise as independents? NB: I am not asking anyone to be nicer to bad agencies, of course if you get bad service from an agency you should tell it like it is... I am just saying maybe it would help if when a new agency came along clients didn't automatically assume it was a bad agency and "just like the rest of them..."

I don't give agencies a hard time, and I haven't really noticed much of that going on in the board. It's independents masquerading as agencies that I have a problem with. Please see (and read) my last post for details on why I have an issue with them.

[bigpaws]

Pat I think you have said all that has to said about this subject so at this point I wouldn't blame you just ignoring the whole situation completely, it is beyond your control for all the reasons you have given .............

............ and lads you really have to see that Patricia is not responsible for this problem nor can she solve this problem, if she gets too "involved" with verifying who is independent and who is not then this site becomes outlawed like the other lower quality site.
Use the review system and the freedom on this board to share information with the "community" but beyond that it's a dead-end problem.

For once I actually do agree with west, if you see the girl in the pics and she gives you the service she said she would for the price she said she would then what difference does it make if she is independent or not?? If she doesn't do what it "say's on the tin" then I don't think that is an agency problem just a Bad Escort problem ............ Bad Escorts are both independent and agency employed.

Paws

[westside]

Pat I think you have said all that has to said about this subject so at this point I wouldn't blame you just ignoring the whole situation completely, it is beyond your control for all the reasons you have given .............

............ and lads you really have to see that Patricia is not responsible for this problem nor can she solve this problem, if she gets too "involved" with verifying who is independent and who is not then this site becomes outlawed like the other lower quality site.
Use the review system and the freedom on this board to share information with the "community" but beyond that it's a dead-end problem.

For once I actually do agree with west, if you see the girl in the pics and she gives you the service she said she would for the price she said she would then what difference does it make if she is independent or not?? If she doesn't do what it "say's on the tin" then I don't think that is an agency problem just a Bad Escort problem ............ Bad Escorts are both independent and agency employed.

Paws

Agreed,
Westside.

[ninebythree]

These are the issues from our point of view:

(a) They are honestly telling me it doesn't matter what I do, e.g. take ads down, penalise people for advertising falsely etc, nothing is going to change, independents that get taken down for being agency in our opinion would just change their name/photos/number and come back as independents again.

why dont u try these measures and see what happens or are u worried about whose toes ure standing on

(b) Are we to deem 80% of the ladies advertised on E-I agencies, which is about the number I would guestimate could be if we considered using a receptionist or flat-sharing grounds for being an agency, or is it just the ones clients think are agencies we should act against? I'm not going to start listing names of well known independents that I know do flat shares sometimes or use receptionist services sometimes here, because that wouldn't be fair on those individual ladies, but I know if I did you guys would start saying "Oh yes well obviously she is an indepenent, that's clear because she's always on these message boards talking for herself..... but this other lady who uses a receptionist isn't....." and rules can't be unfairly applied like that. If we were going to have a rule on E-I, it would have to be applied to everyone, not just a few.

i sorry pat but u are just trying to justify yourselve here when u know the agency we are talking about.


(d) We have reviews and message boards where clients can say they feel an independent is an agency if they want to. Eliane hasn't a single review from a client saying they think she is an agency, but that's because no client has written one, which is not down to us.
Pat x

I ve have spoken to Eliane in her hovel that she shared with the Mena ,she is working for an agency. I have posted this already ,if u want me to write a review i will.......


nbt

[ninebythree]

Pat I think you have said all that has to said about this subject so at this point I wouldn't blame you just ignoring the whole situation completely, it is beyond your control for all the reasons you have given .............

............ and lads you really have to see that Patricia is not responsible for this problem nor can she solve this problem, if she gets too "involved" with verifying who is independent and who is not then this site becomes outlawed like the other lower quality site.
Use the review system and the freedom on this board to share information with the "community" but beyond that it's a dead-end problem.

For once I actually do agree with west, if you see the girl in the pics and she gives you the service she said she would for the price she said she would then what difference does it make if she is independent or not?? If she doesn't do what it "say's on the tin" then I don't think that is an agency problem just a Bad Escort problem ............ Bad Escorts are both independent and agency employed.

Paws

I take your point on board . But I used the other website(orange one) before i started coming here, i never met a girl posing as an independent that was from an agency.
Saying that maybe i was just lucky or else they must have better controls in place to stop this . (JAKE IS THE MAN)

nbt

ps I dont now whats more frightening fake escorts or you agreeing with west

[westside]

I take your point on board . But I used the other website(orange one) before i started coming here, i never met a girl posing as an independent that was from an agency.
Saying that maybe i was just lucky or else they must have better controls in place to stop this . (JAKE IS THE MAN)

nbt

ps I dont now whats more frightening fake escorts or you agreeing with west

He couldnt control his bowel movement let alone a website.

Westside.

[ninebythree]

Another thing...

Recently somebody suggested to me that Sexy Sirens had left and come back as a group of "independents".

I don't know if this is true or not, but I know before Sexy Sirens left they were around for many years and I never once found them using fake photos plus they got a fair amount of good feedback / reviews from clients and they were always available to respond to queries on this message board if clients had any. Also, several of their ladies eventually went on to become independents, and when they did, they always said to us it was just because they felt ready to be in complete control of their careers, that is wasn't because Sexy Sirens treated them badly, as they didn't.

If the cops shut Sexy Sirens down purely for being an agency and they have come back as independents, then that says to me the legal situation is obviously a cause of these problems too.

If our government / police are going to stamp on good agencies that treat their staff and customers well then obviously there will be problems in this country with agencies advertising as independents.

Pat ,
Sexy sirens was an agency advertising as an agency, you knew that is was hit and mis when u went in there.

You know as well as i do that sirens wasnt shut down purely for being an agency.

nbt