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    Default Agency Vs Independent

    We had a staff meeting yesterday and one of the issues I brought up was Agencies advertising as Independents.

    We all know this is going on.

    In most cases there is no conclusive proof, just a review or a message board post from a client saying X independent is not really an independent, which may very well be true, but if we started accepting just this a proof we'd quickly have pimps reporting that all their competitors are really agency girls.

    But in the occassional case there is something more solid, maybe 2 girls sharing the same phone number or one person posting adverts for multiple girls.

    My question to my team was:

    "Should we start changing independent ads into agency ads if we can find some proof the lady is not independent? I know we'd only find that in a very small number of cases and once we started doing this the few people that do make 'mistakes' when advertising their agency girls as independents would soon stop making those 'mistakes' and we wouldn't catch anyone out. But is doing something like this better than doing absolutely nothing?"

    I was shot straight down on that suggestion by Natasha and told that there is nothing we can do to stop agencies advertising as independents, because, the situation in Ireland is that there is a well-held belief that clients prefer independents, and so long as that is the situation, agencies are always going to try to hide the fact they are agencies, and it doesn't matter what we do, agencies will keep coming back as independents. The only thing we can do is have a reviews system and message boards so clients can share info on this issue, and we are already doing that. To try to do more than that would be pointless, as whatever we did it wouldn't work, and trying to go beyond our remit as an escort directory that can't possibly verify the quality and conditions of the services offered by our advertisers.

    It is not often I get totally shot down at a staff meeting like that, but I have to say I was. I really can't see what we can do about this issue.

    Natasha also told me, interestingly, that this problem isn't occuring in the UK, because there is not mass prejudice against agencies in cities like London, in fact many clients prefer agencies, and subsequently we don't have agencies trying to advertise as independents in the UK. It is only here in Ireland we have this problem it seems.

    I'm not sure entirely why I'm posting this... I guess (a) I'm trying to explain our position here more as I know this is a hot issue at the moment and (b) I'm open to suggestions if anyone has any ideas that we maybe haven't thought up yet.

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    Pat x

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patricia View Post
    We had a staff meeting yesterday and one of the issues I brought up was Agencies advertising as Independents.

    We all know this is going on.

    In most cases there is no conclusive proof, just a review or a message board post from a client saying X independent is not really an independent, which may very well be true, but if we started accepting just this a proof we'd quickly have pimps reporting that all their competitors are really agency girls.

    But in the occassional case there is something more solid, maybe 2 girls sharing the same phone number or one person posting adverts for multiple girls.

    My question to my team was:

    "Should we start changing independent ads into agency ads if we can find some proof the lady is not independent? I know we'd only find that in a very small number of cases and once we started doing this the few people that do make 'mistakes' when advertising their agency girls as independents would soon stop making those 'mistakes' and we wouldn't catch anyone out. But is doing something like this better than doing absolutely nothing?"

    I was shot straight down on that suggestion by Natasha and told that there is nothing we can do to stop agencies advertising as independents, because, the situation in Ireland is that there is a well-held belief that clients prefer independents, and so long as that is the situation, agencies are always going to try to hide the fact they are agencies, and it doesn't matter what we do, agencies will keep coming back as independents. The only thing we can do is have a reviews system and message boards so clients can share info on this issue, and we are already doing that. To try to do more than that would be pointless, as whatever we did it wouldn't work, and trying to go beyond our remit as an escort directory that can't possibly verify the quality and conditions of the services offered by our advertisers.

    It is not often I get totally shot down at a staff meeting like that, but I have to say I was. I really can't see what we can do about this issue.

    Natasha also told me, interestingly, that this problem isn't occuring in the UK, because there is not mass prejudice against agencies in cities like London, in fact many clients prefer agencies, and subsequently we don't have agencies trying to advertise as independents in the UK. It is only here in Ireland we have this problem it seems.

    I'm not sure entirely why I'm posting this... I guess (a) I'm trying to explain our position here more as I know this is a hot issue at the moment and (b) I'm open to suggestions if anyone has any ideas that we maybe haven't thought up yet.

    Thanks

    Pat x
    People are prejudiced against agencies here with just cause because 95% of
    them are pure s**t(look at ninebythrees last review this is the standard of alot of them)
    And as for not taking adverts its much more lucrative for u to advertise independents than agencys and it is all about the money so u wont be losing any sleep over this but its good
    to know u care gives me a warm fuzzy feeling

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    Quote Originally Posted by ber View Post
    And as for not taking adverts its much more lucrative for u to advertise independents than agencys and it is all about the money so u wont be losing any sleep over this...
    That is to encourage agencies not to advertise as independents! Though obviously some agencies have decided they don't care, they'd rather pay higher prices and and advertise as independents than advertise as agencies.

    I could make agency pricing the same as independent pricing today (any current agencies reading, fear not, exiting customers could continue at same rate they have always paid), but would that help anything? I would have though the way we have it is the best way to encourage agencies to advertise as agencies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patricia View Post
    That is to encourage agencies not to advertise as independents! Though obviously some agencies have decided they don't care, they'd rather pay higher prices and and advertise as independents than advertise as agencies.

    I could make agency pricing the same as independent pricing today (any current agencies reading, fear not, exiting customers could continue at same rate they have always paid), but would that help anything? I would have though the way we have it is the best way to encourage agencies to advertise as agencies.
    Cant argue with u its working really well

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    Default Get off the stage Pat..........................

    Quote Originally Posted by Patricia View Post
    That is to encourage agencies not to advertise as independents! Though obviously some agencies have decided they don't care, they'd rather pay higher prices and and advertise as independents than advertise as agencies.

    I could make agency pricing the same as independent pricing today (any current agencies reading, fear not, exiting customers could continue at same rate they have always paid), but would that help anything? I would have though the way we have it is the best way to encourage agencies to advertise as agencies.
    This is not my website and even i know the agencies that do this, well most of them anyway.The thing here is that they have their agency girls but they are entitled (there are no rules on this site stating otherwise) to have girls workin gas indeps as well.They can do it because they are too big in the industry for anyone to touch now.

    You know who they are and so do i,
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    Question Just A Thought

    Maybe have a verified/unverified as independents section based on reports from reliable posters on here making reviews and posts on the message boards??
    I know it's not 100% reliable just like the verified picture system isn't reliable but it might help to a certain degree ..........

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigpaws View Post
    Maybe have a verified/unverified as independents section based on reports from reliable posters on here making reviews and posts on the message boards??
    I know it's not 100% reliable just like the verified picture system isn't reliable but it might help to a certain degree ..........

    Paws
    I'm not going to try to start verifying whether ladies are independent or not! Dear God verifying the photos is work enough! However you are getting the creative juices going so thank you x

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    Just want to ask will there be any distinction made between

    • Independents
    • Agency Girls
    • Trafficked Girls


    All three are completely different situations and if there is no distinction made between them then i think this thread is pointless.

    I understand there might be an issue with agency girls who work for an established/recognised agency posing as independents and i'd agree that should be addressed.

    When girls work for an agency that aren't what you'd call a traditional agency, but more of a human trafficking network, that is a completely different scenario.
    Have you written your reviews?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patricia View Post
    I'm not going to try to start verifying whether ladies are independent or not! Dear God verifying the photos is work enough! However you are getting the creative juices going so thank you x
    read my review of mena which i just submited kinda sums the whole thing up
    It seems nothing either will or can be done about this so we have to do our own
    ground work

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patricia View Post
    I'm not going to try to start verifying whether ladies are independent or not! Dear God verifying the photos is work enough! However you are getting the creative juices going so thank you x

    why is hard work surely you can spot the thrend if we can. For example a certain house in cork has 3 of the so called independents working there and have a receptionist .

    now bear with me call the numbers ...you will speak to the same girl.(its not rocket science).

    A another simple idea ....surely an intelligent woman like your self has terms and conditions for advertising ,if they lie ban them.

    By the way Pat ,this is going on for months now and if have sweet fa about it.But then why should you.(someone has to pay for sking trips).

    Also do any one think its strange that Sexy Sirens have stopped advertising and we get a shit load of crap independents using their old haunts.

    nbt

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