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[samlad]

I have always put it down to the Church trying to eradicate sex work as a means of trying to keep Ireland a Catholic country. Perhaps they think that seeing escorts and prostitutes is distracting them from their religion? The thing is, the more people are pushed, the harder they tend to push back, much like the laws of force in physics.

[Doozer]

I have always put it down to the Church trying to eradicate sex work as a means of trying to keep Ireland a Catholic country. Perhaps they think that seeing escorts and prostitutes is distracting them from their religion? The thing is, the more people are pushed, the harder they tend to push back, much like the laws of force in physics.

Maybe they should ban the media, universities, free thinking as well while they are at it

Im sure these are the reasons why the church is failing , not people getting laid....actually let me rephrase that not both parties consenting and being of an age where they are able to give consent to get laid

[samlad]

Maybe they should ban the media, universities, free thinking as well while they are at it

Im sure these are the reasons why the church is failing , not people getting laid....actually let me rephrase that not both parties consenting and being of an age where they are able to give consent to get laid

Speaking of getting laid, I heard on the radio yesterday that the current age of consent for sex in Ireland is 17, but the Government are considering lowering that to 16? In the UK, it is already 16 (if you're a school teacher, this becomes 18). What do we think of that?

[Doozer]

Speaking of getting laid, I heard on the radio yesterday that the current age of consent for sex in Ireland is 17, but the Government are considering lowering that to 16? In the UK, it is already 16 (if you're a school teacher, this becomes 18). What do we think of that?

no real problem with.that .(till my daughter turns 16 then ill be.lobbying.for an increase to 40)

I think the real issue that needs.to be addressed is the romeo and juliette law

[LaBelleThatcher]

I think Ruhama are coming apart at the seams for real. Recently someone has regularly been tweeting adolescent style bitching into the small hours from the Ruhama account (from a blackberry, Sarah Benson uses a blackberry).

They had evaluated the situation and they were so certain nobody from the sex industry would dare to give them the lie because of the real danger exposure would bring. They have been cold bloodedly fostering that fear of exposure for 23 years to protect their position as the sole arbiters of the sex industry at the political table.

I was an eyewitness I watched the deliberate calculation with which it was done.

They are beginning to learn that Josef Goebbels was only partly right...a lie can indeed become the truth if you tell it often enough, but only if nobody stands up and challenges it.

[Doozer]

I think Ruhama are coming apart at the seams for real. Recently someone has regularly been tweeting adolescent style bitching into the small hours from the Ruhama account (from a blackberry, Sarah Benson uses a blackberry).

They had evaluated the situation and they were so certain nobody from the sex industry would dare to give them the lie because of the real danger exposure would bring. They have been cold bloodedly fostering that fear of exposure for 23 years to protect their position as the sole arbiters of the sex industry at the political table.

I was an eyewitness I watched the deliberate calculation with which it was done.

They are beginning to learn that Josef Goebbels was only partly right...a lie can indeed become the truth if you tell it often enough, but only if nobody stands up and challenges it.

Doesnt Ruhama profit from the sex industry?
If there were no sex industry they would have no wages?

Isnt it against the law to profit from sex workers?

[LaBelleThatcher]

I have always put it down to the Church trying to eradicate sex work as a means of trying to keep Ireland a Catholic country. Perhaps they think that seeing escorts and prostitutes is distracting them from their religion? The thing is, the more people are pushed, the harder they tend to push back, much like the laws of force in physics.

Here is a quote from a UK NGO site I saw yesterday. Explaining the origins of Satanism as a prelude to explaining what "ritual abuse" is. It is historically inaccurate, but telling:

Personnel in the church got their jobs through bribery and corruption and made lots of money at a time when the majority of the population were extremelly poor. The bishops and hierarchy of the church were very influential in the politics of the country and in local politics.

Let me edit it a little

Personnel in the NGO sector got their jobs through bribery and corruption and made lots of money at a time when the majority of the population were extremely poor. The hierarchy of the NGO sector were very influential in the politics of the country and in local politics.

I do not think I have ever been so forcefully struck by the extent to which the NGO sector has taken over the role of the church, nor the extent to which the church has reinvented itself as, apparently (until you scratch the surface), secular aspects of the NGO sector.

But do not ever fall into the trap of believing this is about faith (however warped) because it is not, it is just about power and control.

[LaBelleThatcher]

Doesnt Ruhama profit from the sex industry?
If there were no sex industry they would have no wages?

Isnt it against the law to profit from sex workers?

Any prohibitionist organisation is aiming to make a great deal of money out of striving to abolish the sex industry. "Not for Profit" is just code for "We pay ourselves such huge salaries nothing is left" and a useful tax break.

That culture in itself is being steadily exposed and coming down in flames. (As far as I can tell Ruhama is mostly funded through Pobal and it seems as though their, frequently bizarre, funding allocations are "the last to go" possibly just because it is so hard to know where to start!)

I think now would be a great time to start demanding Ruhama be subject to a full audit...and there is no reason why anyone cannot write to their own TD under their own name to demand a full audit of an organisation that seems primarily concerned with lobbying "Women's Issues" which is not even what they are funded for at a time when essential services are being cut back, and there would be no harm in throwing in the names of a few immigrant organisations in a similar condition as well.

[Half Man and Half Dildo]

.....I would not like, for example, to see IBEC paying for advertising advocating lowering the minimum wage, while less-well off groups would not be able to respond.....

With the above quote in mind I think it is also important to remember that last year before the debate in the Seanad got underway a delegation from Ruhama\TORL met with the senators beforehand, if this is not one-sided political lobbying I don't know what is. I would have loved to see their faces when senator Mary White stood her ground and gave them the kick in the arse that they are so deserving of.

The Irish people need to be made aware of things like this. Imagine the uproar that would ensue if bankers and bondholders were to meet senators alone before a debate on the banking crisis took place.

[LaBelleThatcher]

I found an interesting precedent today:
http://www.catholicbishops.ie/2008/1...locked-by-bci/

You may ask yourself what is the relevance, simple, Ruhama, Veritas (http://www.veritasbooksonline.com/ne...hat-we-do.html) AND http://www.towardshealing.ie all share the same PR Media adviser :- Walter Young of Young Communications.

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/walter-young/7/574/750

Also, part time media adviser to the former and current president.

Will someone please tell me what a humble support service for poor little purrostitutes is doing hiring a top notch media adviser with a virulent catholic bias?