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[Davina]

Does it look like criminalisation has done much in Norway

http://www.one-escort.com/main.php?country=46

or Sweden

http://www.punterlink.co.uk/escort/e...lm_escorts.htm

Besides with Ryanair flights to the uk from £18 return why not make a day of it and come see us in England, you can do some shopping which will save you the money you paid on the flight and probably some towards seeing your escort too

[beniktt]

I think we are all aware of the implications of last night to us all. We all accept that we all have a bit of responsibility in it and that trafficking should stop NOW and if we have information or a feeling we should inform someone.
We should also spare a thought for the Ladies here that are concerned now for there futures in Ireland working here as true independents and have chosen this work for a living.
Some I am sure are concerned about the implications and may feel there livelihood is under threat.
I also think from my point of view I have said enough on this matter I have my own opinions and I think we are all showing fear too certain people. We are all aware of what happened in Tallaght during the night what we are worried about is very insignificant to what some people are going through today.

[saoirsemac]

Well we hope that he took our advice and actually did report it to the Gardai. However his propositions were far from altruristic and there was detectable flaws in his detectable issues.

As for monster_monster, I always said how much we appreciate his reports (and no doubt he'll be back under another username) but he is subjected to the same rules as everyone else.

i agree with that, indeed

but looking at it now and the fallout maybe the oppurinty to work together and be civil wud have been wiser, i know ye are are just a directory, but ye are the fore fort of everything that is the sex industry in ireland,

maybe this cud be an oppurinty to relook at his system, tbh i wudnt say he hold a grudge, his intreast are for the girls also but just takes different approach,

the whole sex industry is looking very bad today, and as EI is the market leader, steps to control the profiles better wud be an idea, as u said anyone cud do what monster did, but as said before why not create even a mod to check for fake photos?
and in the background introduce a system like RTE did or QPH, no one on any side of the arguement wants to see EI fail here,
i dont and u dont, as we are both loosing out on a pay packet so to speech,

my wish that form this a better control is show, and EI finaly makes a complete stand against these rings, i know ye believe every girl has the right to work and ye can do nothing without proof, the proof is there really,

plus regarding monster i really cannot see how passing links to articles in the indeptent is breaking rules,

i have often enough passed and recieved news articles form what been said in relation to the sex industry to looking at the new size 0 model, i was not aware passing of media, was against the worlds unless containing minors, im not nit picking but calling it as it is really, maybe there is more to it that, i don't know

[Lola Massages]

If all clients would have an ounce of conscience, those controlled girl would have found themselves long ago out of business. I don’t believe for a second that after visiting an escort you still don’t know if she is independent or not. Her English, her flat mates, the way she conducts her business are dead give aways.

But no, true independents like myself (yeah, I used to be an escort) are instead forced to retire or to rethink their business in order to survive.

Sad really and it’s says all about the general punting mentality here (I am not generalising, there are still some nice clients left, unfortunatelly almost extinct). Clients getting increaslingly more demanding, thinking their money entitles them to show no respect whatsoever. An independent will always refuse such a booking. A controlled escort, will not.

From this point of view, a change is needed. From an advertising point of view, if we are not able to distinguish ourselves from trafficked girls, if clients are too blind to realise that very young hot girls with supermodel looks, with no English are very unlikely working on their free will, with a few others in the same place as well, if people are banned for daring to speak or to comment about the escorting scene harsh realities… then yes, I would welcome a change as we need to know where we stand.

The UK model or even the Swedish model do take in consideration who is doing this willingly and who is not. If most clients don’t care to make the right choice, at least the law can put these clients in the wrong, rather then the current situation, which is to put is, independents into a lot of worries and trouble.

I am doing erotic massages for the moment, something tells me this service will always be in some level of demand, so I am not that worried about myself at the moment. Still, I think I am able to speak my mind as a retired escort.

[samlad]

i agree with that, indeed

but looking at it now and the fallout maybe the oppurinty to work together and be civil wud have been wiser, i know ye are are just a directory, but ye are the fore fort of everything that is the sex industry in ireland,

maybe this cud be an oppurinty to relook at his system, tbh i wudnt say he hold a grudge, his intreast are for the girls also but just takes different approach,

the whole sex industry is looking very bad today, and as EI is the market leader, steps to control the profiles better wud be an idea, as u said anyone cud do what monster did, but as said before why not create even a mod to check for fake photos?
and in the background introduce a system like RTE did or QPH, no one on any side of the arguement wants to see EI fail here,
i dont and u dont, as we are both loosing out on a pay packet so to speech,

my wish that form this a better control is show, and EI finaly makes a complete stand against these rings, i know ye believe every girl has the right to work and ye can do nothing without proof, the proof is there really,

plus regarding monster i really cannot see how passing links to articles in the indeptent is breaking rules,

i have often enough passed and recieved news articles form what been said in relation to the sex industry to looking at the new size 0 model, i was not aware passing of media, was against the worlds unless containing minors, im not nit picking but calling it as it is really, maybe there is more to it that, i don't know

Patricia did actually try to find common ground and compromise with QPH, however (and he will probably deny this anyway) he wanted it all his way or the highway. We showed him the highway.

With monster_monster, it was a little more complicated than that it he was banned for total disregard for something I previously discussed with him privately and that is all I will say on the matter. As for hiring someone in the office to deal with fake photos, it has been discussed previously by higher management and there are many other things that have been discussed generally.

I watched the documentary and I see that they state that this activity was going through sites like E-I, implying (without too much emphasis) that E-I isn't the only site to "facilitate" these two highly organised crime-rings. These people also had to jump through other hoops to ensure that they were set up to run, such as rental agreements and transport.

[samlad]

I've just re-read all 42 rules. Which one was Monster in breach of ?

I've just explained without going into too much detail. If a poster is told not to do something and does it anyway, it's clearly disregarded so they will be booted.

[punterminator]

I've just re-read all 42 rules.

Arbitrary Rule 43¾.
It's right down the end - can't miss it unless you're a muggle.

[wakka]

I've just explained without going into too much detail. If a poster is told not to do something and does it anyway, it's clearly disregarded so they will be booted.

TBH Sam I think there was a bit of a mix up misreading etc. I certainly took it that monster was banned for linking articles etc, maybe others did too which was why people where questioning it. However if you say he broke other rules then so be it, as i've said before we dont need to know the rules he broke just that he broke them.

[samlad]

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[UKHeather]

Patricia did actually try to find common ground and compromise with QPH, however (and he will probably deny this anyway) he wanted it all his way or the highway. We showed him the highway.

With monster_monster, it was a little more complicated than that it he was banned for total disregard for something I previously discussed with him privately and that is all I will say on the matter. As for hiring someone in the office to deal with fake photos, it has been discussed previously by higher management and there are many other things that have been discussed generally.

I watched the documentary and I see that they state that this activity was going through sites like E-I, implying (without too much emphasis) that E-I isn't the only site to "facilitate" these two highly organised crime-rings. These people also had to jump through other hoops to ensure that they were set up to run, such as rental agreements and transport.

What other sites are there????? Sites that are not owned by the same management of this one, that is?
Also, come on Sam, we all know who E-designers belongs to. Wasn't someone closely related to them imprisoned not too long ago for brothel keeping? that itself tells me that EI knows exactly what's going on and who they are aiding when they advertise these girls.
Those people were shown on the programme last night. I do not agree with that. I think invasion of privacy, in such a way, is disgusting and inexcusable. 'Pat' has my total sympathy in that regard. But your making remarks based on one word, "like" to draw attention away from this site is just silly, petty and treating folk like idiots. I think this time, pulling up the drawbridges is not going to work. There are things that need addressing and questions that need answers. I don't give a shit who owns the site. I do give a shit about girls who are being controlled and how pimps are affecting genuine independent escorts. I also give a shit that they are being advertised here. It's not good enough. The site has to start and be seen to take some responsibility.